Maybe they know enough to regard the "marriage" as being no such thing. (see #105)I am working over in the Netherlands at the moment and the conversation came up earlier with my Dutch Air Force colleagues, the consensus over here suggests the Dutch Government are happy to wash their hands of it and hope the Father somehow disappears, they have not interest in the child or the mother. They believe it is a UK problem only.
You are to be congratulated for your even handed appraisal but I find myself at odds with the highlighted section and not because I think it is untrue but rather because the good citizens of Croydon , in the main, are not happy to see people in the UK murdered in the name of some extreme Islamic cult.This, for me at any rate, is a bit of a story of two halves.
. For heaven's sake, if you walk down Croydon High Street on a wet Wednesday morning, you'll find plenty of people who dislike the UK; get used to it.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/19/isil-bride-shamima-begum-has-british-citizenship-revoked-home/ITV News has just announced that the Home Secretary has served papers on her family renouncing her British Citizenship. I assume that she has dual nationality, if not watch the pound signs light up in the legal worlds eyes.
My bold - plenty of people do.You are to be congratulated for your even handed appraisal but I find myself at odds with the highlighted section and not because I think it is untrue but rather because the good citizens of Croydon , in the main, are not happy to see people in the UK murdered in the name of some extreme Islamic cult.
If people living in the UK are unhappy with the way things are they have the option to decamp and seek their nirvana elsewhere. In fairness to Miss Begum she took that option but now appears to think for all the UK's faults she would be happier living here after all.
Fair points, well made Clonmel but if I may:My bold - plenty of people do.
I do not doubt for one second that her "new-found love for England's green & pleasant land" is purely down to the collapse of ISIS. If they now ruled Northern Iraq and Syria completely and irrevocably, and were pumping oil like the North Sea (whilst remaining savage barbaric c**ts) to finance the caliphate, then she'd be quite happy still living there, taking little Abu to watch the beheadings on a Saturday afternoon.
But we're talking at crossed purposes.
The fundamental here is that once you start picking on, or isolating, mistreating, castigating etc someone because you don't like their views, religious beliefs etc etc, then you're on a slippery slope. UK citizens have the protection of law & statute, regardless of whether they are members of the Royal Family or members of the IRA.
This is about none of the above. There are plenty of people living in the UK who say what they want, look how they want and have faith in what they want. It's something of pride that we live in a country which affords individuals such freedoms because, as we know, Begum can't say what she wants, look how she wants or believe in what she wants. No woman living under a fundamentalist strain of Islam can.the dangers inherent in demonising someone just because you dislike what they say / the way they look / their religion
Two things.Fair points, well made Clonmel but if I may:
This is about none of the above. There are plenty of people living in the UK who say what they want, look how they want and have faith in what they want. It's something of pride that we live in a country which affords individuals such freedoms because, as we know, Begum can't say what she wants, look how she wants or believe in what she wants. No woman living under a fundamentalist strain of Islam can.
This is about 'what she has done'. What has she done? Okay, she's sought the recruitment of a brutalising death cult dressed up as some or other pure form of Islam. And it's not just a gaggle of nut jobs with rifles and camo gear. This is a radical, organised militia, numbering tens of thousands at its peak. She wanted to be part of it and married into it. And, here's another 'what she did', she is not contrite, regretful of repentant about it. As far as her mindset is concerned, ISIS's methods of tearing up any concept of humanity even in 'warfare' (because it's not 'war' for them, it is genocide) is entirely correct. She has said so and even aligns the Manchester bombing with the near sighted 'killing of women and children in allied air strikes'. If you do a bit of philosophical mathematics, there is no way both sides of the equation are equal. She is wrong, but to her, she isn't wrong, and neither is that **** who killed women and kids at an Ariane Grande concert. If you have any doubts about why 'the court of public opinion' is in default here, have a click of this motherfucker. Be warned, it's NOT SAFE FOR WORK
Hopefully, you'll understand why 'the court of public opinion' holds a string case against this individual firstly joining this bunch of *****, then finding out after four years that she's backed the wrong horse. She had a pretty decent life in the UK as a Bangladeshi immigrant. Decent schooling, freedom of expression, a western economy and a free health service. Now she wants it back, but with the clause we kind of accept and understand she still doesn't like us and given the right alignment of fate, would happily not be fazed if we were all machine gunned to death in a ditch because we can't recount the Hadith. I'd be quite happy if she fucked off, permanently. I have no sympathy for her. She has been the architect of her **** up and there are hundreds of disadvantaged, poverty stricken and homeless females in our own sweet country whom I would prioritise over her. I am not responsible for her, her radicalisation or her situation.
Difference being is that said Republicans are and always have been UK citizens and resided in this country. They have not voluntarily trotted off to a third party country to actively join a terrorist entity. And, I think as bestial as the PIRA and other paramilitaries on both sides can be, I don't quite recall them clearing out entire villages onto the outskirts where trenches are dug and operatives systematically kill cowering, terrified people by the thousands. The worst IRA terrorist strike albeit horrific, pales into insignificance compared to what ISIS doles out, and this is only the stuff filmed and released to the internet. I don't doubt that once the country has been cleared of these thugs, the killing fields will compare to those sickening images of Jews being bulldozed and the horrors of the Bosnian genocide and Rawanda. She's obviously not fazed by that.Two things.
One - there are tens [if not hundreds] of thousands of people in South Armagh, the Bogside in Derry, Andytown in Belfast and various other places in the Province who also married into a terror organisation, and indeed even now hold some pretty anti-British or anti-Establishment beliefs. Those self same inhabitants of the Province would quite happily see you and I, as military servants of the Crown, in a ditch in Bandit Country with a 9mm headache. In fact, scrub 'the Province', add - Liverpool, Glasgow, Manchester , London - anywhere that there are large collections of the Irish.
No, this is not an example of the court of public opinion at all. Each example is there on it's own merit. First one, ignorance; second one, vigilantism. The third one is simple gangsterism.Two - THIS is what happens when you allow the 'court of public opinion' free rein.
The protection that the law enshrines for Shamima Begum (if she ever gets back to the UK, now doubtful) applies to, and protects, you and I my friend.
I was under the belief she was born in Bangladesh and came here aged two. Happy to be corrected if yours is indeed the case.Edit - Shamima Begum was born in the UK (Bethnal Green in London to be exact) but because of familial connections with Bangladesh (her mother is a Bangladeshi citizen) she has right of abode in that state.
Not quite right. Under Bangladeshi Nationality Law, she is a Bangladeshi national, that's way above just having a right of abode.. . .
Edit - Shamima Begum was born in the UK (Bethnal Green in London to be exact) but because of familial connections with Bangladesh (her mother is a Bangladeshi citizen) she has right of abode in that state.
I, as well as I believe, the vast majority of the general non ‘lefty’ population agree wholeheartedly with you Slim. Unfortunately due to the minorities and politically correct, we are prevented from expressing our views on many things...especially when it comes to any form of sincere punishment.I think my views on law & order are fairly well known on this site. I am just to the right of Ghengis Khan.
Justice in this country is far too soft and I believe is the reason that many re-offend.
How many crimes does a criminal have to commit before he/she is encarcerated.
Yep I believe in the Chinese three strikes and you are out type of justice. You get two chances after a third offence then tis a bullet in the head. Final insult is the family have to pay for the bullet.
Reckon if we had that then the little shits committing crimes may go to court twice but I bet they would not go a third time.
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