ISIS wanting to come home.

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
Plenty of stories on the news and in the Press today about the female who ran away to join ISIS - now wants to come home and have her baby safely in the UK. So no link posted as not required.

I for one think she (and all the other traitors) should be allowed to rot in Syria, after being subject to whatever 'law' and 'trial' and 'sentence' the locals decide to impose. She said (on TV) 'yeh, I saw a head in a bucket and it didn't faze me' - lovely.

It is unthinkable that the likes of her and her ilk are even thinking of hoping to get back to the UK, let alone that some have already achieved it. Nothing to do with the UK being a soft touch...........

I truly, really truly, would be very happy to be in the firing party.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
She says she has no regrets about what she's done, so why does she want to come back here then. As my Nan used to say, you made your bed, you lie in it.
 

huwshpis

War Hero
She may be one of those whose British citizenship cannot be revoked, in which case we'd have to take her back. She would then potentially have to face trial for her actions, and (it may be when, rather than if, convicted) a lengthy term in jail.
 

dapperdunn

War Hero
Book Reviewer
I think that she has already admitted to Treason
She was 15 years old. She had been brainwashed, sexually groomed and recruited by a jihadist organisation.
Do we send 15 year olds to prison for being exploited?
 

slim

War Hero
She was 15 years old. She had been brainwashed, sexually groomed and recruited by a jihadist organisation.
Do we send 15 year olds to prison for being exploited?
She is now 19 and has been under ISIS control for the last 4 years.
Her mind has been poisoned by them and there is no guarantee that she can be rehabilitated.
If she is allowed back to the UK what would be youtr thoughts if she became a suicide bomber and killed a number of people? Worse still what if one of that number was one of your family?
She has already stated that she has no remorse or regrets about what she has done in the past.
If she is allowed back it will cost the UK taxpayer a fortune to monitor her, money which could be spent elsewhere
 

dapperdunn

War Hero
Book Reviewer
She is now 19 and has been under ISIS control for the last 4 years.
Her mind has been poisoned by them and there is no guarantee that she can be rehabilitated.
She was brainwashed and then it was reinforced by her 4 years in the 'caliphate' . I suspect that she is more in danger than she is a danger. If she comes home she'll be a target for any right wing nutter out to make a name for himself.
If she is allowed back to the UK what would be youtr thoughts if she became a suicide bomber and killed a number of people? Worse still what if one of that number was one of your family?
That's the risk you take isn't it? Being a member of a modern, tolerant society.
She has already stated that she has no remorse or regrets about what she has done in the past.
Because she has been brainwashed.
If she is allowed back it will cost the UK taxpayer a fortune to monitor her, money which could be spent elsewhere
Elsewhere where? As a UK taxpayer I already spend a fortune monitoring all sorts of people. What do you suggest that we do with all of them? (Tagged criminals for example)
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
Is there any evidence of brainwashing, apart from the train of thought that she was only 15 therefore not capable of independent thought so obviously brainwashed?

Have her family mentioned any Svengali types she was hanging around with before fleeing?

Is brainwashing just being bandied about as a blanket excuse?
 

slim

War Hero
I think my views on law & order are fairly well known on this site. I am just to the right of Ghengis Khan.
Justice in this country is far too soft and I believe is the reason that many re-offend.
How many crimes does a criminal have to commit before he/she is encarcerated.
Yep I believe in the Chinese three strikes and you are out type of justice. You get two chances after a third offence then tis a bullet in the head. Final insult is the family have to pay for the bullet.
Reckon if we had that then the little shits committing crimes may go to court twice but I bet they would not go a third time. :)
 
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SaladDodger

Lantern Swinger
She may be one of those whose British citizenship cannot be revoked, in which case we'd have to take her back. She would then potentially have to face trial for her actions, and (it may be when, rather than if, convicted) a lengthy term in jail.
What would be a ballpark figure for a trial at the Old Bailey or Woolwich Crown Court ? I take it legal aid would foot the bill ? The only winners would be the legal profession.
The taxpayer would have to fund Miss Terror suspect for the rest of her life, under the right to family life would the baby father also benefit from us ? Maybe he could also come to the UK ?
I'm not having a pop at you as I don't know you and I enjoy reading your posts on this site.

My simple answer to those who feel sorry for the suspect would to be set up a crowd funding page and cover every single penny of her future life yourselves, and if you think these kids can change remember the Manchester bomber, fished out of the Med by us and showed his gratitude by murdering 23 innocent people.
 

huwshpis

War Hero
What would be a ballpark figure for a trial at the Old Bailey or Woolwich Crown Court ? I take it legal aid would foot the bill ? The only winners would be the legal profession.

Depends on the length of the trial and whether she pleads guilty. Guilty plea, all over in about 2 days (1 for giving details of the offences and 1 for sentencing), total lawyers' costs (defence and prosecution) £10k - 15k.
Cost of court, including probation officers' time and the judge, £16k. Both these are very rough estimates, but based on published sources now somewhat out of date and adjusted appropriately. A full trial would last 30 - 40 days, so court costs £120k - £160k, to which you would have to add prosecution costs of about £200k (1QC, 1 junior, 1 CPS plus witness expenses) and defence costs (legal aid) of maybe £150k (1 QC, 1 junior, 1 solicitor, plus witness expenses).


The taxpayer would have to fund Miss Terror suspect for the rest of her life, under the right to family life would the baby father also benefit from us ? Maybe he could also come to the UK ?
I'm not having a pop at you as I don't know you and I enjoy reading your posts on this site.

If, and, I grant you, it's a big if, Miss Terror could get a job after she was released (perhaps 10 years down the line if convicted), the taxpayer wouldn't have to fund her. Of course some t**t of a tabloid editor might try to pay big bucks for her "story", but I doubt she'd be allowed access to the money. The right to a family life applies only to an established family life. She wouldn't have one here if she came back and was promptly jailed, nor would the father of her child (if it survives) have any automatic right to enter the UK at any time.

My simple answer to those who feel sorry for the suspect would to be set up a crowd funding page and cover every single penny of her future life yourselves, and if you think these kids can change remember the Manchester bomber, fished out of the Med by us and showed his gratitude by murdering 23 innocent people.
My comments in italics, and I know you're not having a pop at me, @SaladDodger. I enjoy your posts, too.
 

janner

MIA
Book Reviewer
There is also the estimated cost of £40000 for each year spent in prison. Plus any childcare costs whilst she serves her time.
 

Sumo

War Hero
Apparently already lost 2 pregnancies, coming back for safe medical care?
 
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fishhead

War Hero
I would have liked to hear her say how sorry she was for getting herself mixed up with a bunch of violent psychopaths and going to live with them and support them in their aims. Thus far not a word of repentance and if I understood her correctly up until the time that the caliphate imploded she was happy where she was. On that basis I suggest she stays out in that part of the world as it is more likely that somewhere there will provide the lifestyle she has chosen.
I do not buy the "big boys made me do it" excuse some seem ready to provide her as what was going on in Syria and Iraq in 2015 at the time she went out there was common knowledge with almost everyday marked by another outrage caused by the team she chose to support.
If she does end up back in Blighty, as I expect she will, I hope none of the journey is financed out of the public purse.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
She was 15 years old. She had been brainwashed, sexually groomed and recruited by a jihadist organisation.
Do we send 15 year olds to prison for being exploited?
No.But in Her case we'll make an exception. And it can be a syrian prison at that.
Actually, yes we do, under 15's are held in Secure Childrens Homes, 15 -18 year olds to Young Offenders Institutions or Secure Training Centres.

Firstly you have to prove "beyond reasonable doubt" that she was exploited. I'm sure our resident barrister, @huwshpis will know a helluva lot more than me on the subject though.
 
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