That some one can join boats straight from civvy street? Gordon Bennett, so they don't have to do any time in Gens first? Whats happened to the SETT? Do they not do the tank anymore? If what I have heard is true it just makes me wonder what the submariners of today are really like, but hey ho time marches on. I guess as all the boats are now nukes and all operate at 1000 feet sorry, 300 metres plus there is no need for escape compartments, so weld up fwd and after escape hatches use the tower to store more beer or special fit kit!!