Is this the unluckiest ship in the fleet?

[benjymo]

BBC news

 

[Stripey_G]

Does she have "D13" splattered over her side?? :grin: :grin:

 

[sgtpepperband]

I was on it when it was in refit post-crash, and left it after BOST on completion of the refit. Despite Fleet's insistance that it was fully repaired and operational I was convinced the Ship was jinxed. Glad I got off when I did!

:shock:

 

[grefs]

A good excuse for Bliar to mothball it.

 

[Bergen]

I was on it when it was in refit post-crash, and left it after BOST on completion of the refit. Despite Fleet's insistance that it was fully repaired and operational I was convinced the Ship was jinxed. Glad I got off when I did!

:shock:

I was surprised to read reports of how much of the ship's water-tight integrity had been compromised by poor fitting of MCT's and other water-tight boundary penetrations. After hitting Wolf Rock she was lucky not to have been sunk. Lack of integrity is something that is regularly found in some civilian hulls but nevertheless surprising [for me] in an RN warship.

RM

 

[dt018a9667]

Try the Traf, she has had more bad luck than most but that might be down more to her pennant number SSN13!

 

[rictic]

I was on it when it was in refit post-crash, and left it after BOST on completion of the refit. Despite Fleet's insistance that it was fully repaired and operational I was convinced the Ship was jinxed. Glad I got off when I did!

:shock:

I was surprised to read reports of how much of the ship's water-tight integrity had been compromised by poor fitting of MCT's and other water-tight boundary penetrations. After hitting Wolf Rock she was lucky not to have been sunk. Lack of integrity is something that is regularly found in some civilian hulls but nevertheless surprising [for me] in an RN warship.

RM

An RN hull designed using civvy parameters.
The same type that decided that civvy wiring should be installed on type 21s etc.. nothing wrong with PTFE wiring on a cruise ship but totally lethal on a warship. it saves weight but gives off toxic fumes in a fire.

 

[Nutty]

Try the Traf, she has had more bad luck than most but that might be down more to her pennant number SSN13!

HMS/m Osiris was also SSK13 (S13 fin number) but had a long and proud history of avoiding objects set in her path. Any more members of the 13 club out there? Now HMS/m Opportune SSK20 had a long and glorious history of knocking into objects about the seven seas.

Nutty

 

[spearfish]

Can any one provide a link to the loss of Nottingham's Lynx due to lack of motion lotion?

 

[Seadog]

rictic wrote

An RN hull designed using civvy parameters.

What parameters would those be?

The same type that decided that civvy wiring should be installed on type 21s etc.. nothing wrong with PTFE wiring on a cruise ship but totally lethal on a warship. it saves weight but gives off toxic fumes in a fire.

PTFE? Do you mean PVC? And why is it any less lethal on a cruise ship?

Bergen wrote

After hitting Wolf Rock she was lucky not to have been sunk.

A credit to the MEO, CMEM and the rest of the Ship's Company.

spearfish asked

Can any one provide a link to the loss of Nottingham's Lynx due to lack of motion lotion?

Other than the BBC link in the first post? I don't know this story but fuel problems come in all shapes and sizes and doesn't always mean someone forgot to top up.

Not all OPDEFs make the press so let's be careful.

 

[slim]

PTFE is a superb insulator which is used extensively on cables. Unfortunately when it burns the fumes emitted are extremely toxic. In fact when I did a practical wiring course at Daedalus in the 70s we were warned not to strip the cable using our teeth.
A naval warship by its very name is more likely to suffer fire damage than a cruise liner (one hopes).

 

[Nutty]

Quote Seadog's posting

Bergen wroteQuote::
After hitting Wolf Rock she was lucky not to have been sunk.

"A credit to the MEO, CMEM and the rest of the Ship's Company."

Were the bridge staff/watchkeepers not part of that ships company then. It being them that required the MEO and CMEM and staff to save the ship in the begining.

Why did the Captain have to go ashore with the sick rating other than to glad hand the local big wheel and add another place to his book of places I have visited. Then, he is the Captain and not part of the ships company.

Now we are just left with Slim's origional question, "why did the Lynx run out of fuel"

NUtty

 

[Seadog]

A naval warship by its very name is more likely to suffer fire damage than a cruise liner (one hopes).

Fires on passenger ships are very common and often fatal, recently Star Princess. Warships aren't in action that often and have more trained personnel to tackle fires. I'd argue that there are more fires pro rata in cruise ships/ferries/liners than war canoes in peacetime and toxic fumes are toxic fumes.

As for PVC and PTFE, what should we be using in ships, war or otherwise?

 

[Seadog]

Nutty asked

Were the bridge staff/watchkeepers not part of that ships company then.

Seadog was inclusive.

A credit to the MEO, CMEM and the rest of the Ship's Company.

Nutty asked

Why did the Captain have to go ashore with the sick rating other than to glad hand the local big wheel and add another place to his book of places I have visited. Then, he is the Captain and not part of the ships company.

He is allowed to. His call. Whether or not he made the right call was decided at his Court Martial. I've often sailed under the command of the XO. I suspect I'm not alone.


Nutty also asked

Now we are just left with Slim's original question, "why did the Lynx run out of fuel"

I don't see Slim's (or anyone elses' ) original question Nutty. Who (other than the BBC) said it ran out of fuel?

 

[Nutty]

As for PVC and PTFE, what should we be using in ships, war or otherwise

Rubber or deritive of used for many years in warships with no toxic fumes.

Nutty