Is there still a place for the Battleship?

Chalky

Lantern Swinger
Thought I'd start a new thread :)

Given the increase in desire for force projection etc etc, is there still a place for the Battleship?

The US still retains two battleships (USS Iowa and USS Wisconsin ), at the behest of the USMC, as they feel that no other asset can currently provide the fire support that may be necessary for amphibious assaults.

Given that the RN is now geared towards the amphibious side of expeditionary warfare, is it time for us to look at developing assets in the vein of the 'big guns'?

Are the current fire support assets suitable to the task?

You decide!


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function

Badgeman
I believe not, why send a big ship with a big crew needing support, force protection etc when you can get aircraft or UAV's or Tlam's to do the dirty work.
I'd think its safer for them to drop the ordnance than it is to have 'spotters' on the ground to call the fire in.
The amphibious/expeditionary force should have its own air assets as the USMC does.


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Chalky

Lantern Swinger
I agree, but is there anything that can offer the sustained level of fire that a battery at sea can?

Apart from inner city Paris.

In all fairness, I can't see a situation where we'd need one though.
 

GCYZ

Lantern Swinger
I remember reading somewhere recently that both ships have been taken off the reserve list and sent for disposal. Old age has set in however, and I can't remember where is saw it.
 

Seadog

War Hero
Moderator
offer the sustained level of fire that a battery at sea can?

Apart from inner city Paris.

I got it Chalky. Very good!

I'm with function on this. Airpower and cruise missiles are more flexible. A big ship's guns can't match their range. Battlewagons are okay for supporting Royal as he goes ashore or scaring the carp out of the fuzziewuzzies but troops further inland need air support.

The Yanks used cruise missiles from battlewagon(s) in GW1. Might as well have used a submarine. Just show methinks.
 

Tartan_Terrier

Badgeman
I can see the point with regard to fire support, but ..........battleships?

Where would they come from?

Wouldn't the heavy armour plating be a bit pointless?

What about a dedicated fire support vessel instead?
 

Chalky

Lantern Swinger
That would seem more sensible. It would also be cheaper in those situation where you simply need to lay down a lot of fire. Using cruise missiles and an exciting number of other hight tech gubbins wouldn't be cost effective and doesn't, I imagine, have the same effect as shell after shell pounding into your lines.

I believe the psychological effect of this in GW1 was remarked upon. Would a current ATG be able to deliver that? I'm not too confident.

So, we need some kind of hull that is bristling like a porcupine, but without the 12 inches of steel at the waterline.

Or some kind or air transportable firework factory.

Or midgets shouting BANGBANGBAAAANG...
 

Chalky

Lantern Swinger
I live in terror of the day these people are allowed into the real world.

Some of them may even get into positions of power.

Most of them, fortunately, will enjoy a rewarding career at Woolworths.
 

Deeps

War Hero
Air power is where its at , why invest millions in fact billions on sea power,when the enemy could well be out of range inland . Just the sight of low flying jet aircraft is a major detterant aganist any would be insurgents etc etc
 

SailbadTheSinner

Lantern Swinger
Deeps said:
Air power is where its at , why invest millions in fact billions on sea power,when the enemy could well be out of range inland . Just the sight of low flying jet aircraft is a major detterant aganist any would be insurgents etc etc

Air power's got to get there hasn't it

And it comes with a lot of baggage - basing, host nation support, overflight permissions, support etc

You need a broad capability - sometimes a TLAM, sometimes a Paveway, sometimes NFS or a rifle bullet

Note that even the T45 has a gun, even though its the venerable 4.5. There is space and weight provison for a larger calibre - or other weapon systems
 

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