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Is the RNR worth joining?

digger84

War Hero
PT, I am not sure what information you are trying to keep secret from "Opponents"?

I can easily find out on Google what the RNR is doing. There are so many bloody "Hometown" stories with RNR personnel telling their stories, that is there for all to read.

If by opponents you mean our Khaki or light blue brethren, they can easily access information on DII(R)

And if you mean opponents who reside across the Rhine, then they already know.
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
Digger - my point isn't the 'local lad done good' story. My issue is with where we see a range of facts and figures debated to provide context, which in turn leads to wider discussions and helps build a fairly good picture of where the RNR and wider RN is at right now.

I am happy to go into more depth via PM if you want context, but ultimately my point stands - we are straying into sensitive territory and I am asking people to exercise common sense. I would be very grateful if people could just do this.
 

CmdKeen

Lantern Swinger
Without incurring the wrath of PT the RNR filling "regular jobs" is perfect for when the brass don't know how long the regular billet is going to exist for, or know that it is a short term job.

P Sqn is a perfect example of that - growing another load of AWFP regular jobs only to give them up again once sandy places started to release Royal who would revert back to their traditional role. Which of course benefits Royal because in the coming post Afghan cuts they have a job to go back to.

So are the Joint Warriors, the majority of the personnel are needed for only a few weeks a year, and things are so strapped everywhere you can't abstract the necessary personnel for a few weeks each year from other posts.

One of the keys points is that the RNR, especially JRs, don't spend a lot of time afloat on the bigger RN ships. If you were RFA, fish boats or Gib you probably would know about the RNR. Many RNR specialisations focus on being in an Ops room somewhere, something that tends not to be in the first years of a regular's career.
 

Irezumi

Badgeman
Understand the above, perhaps the lack of awareness comes from exactly what CMDKeen says, the average Reservist isn't out and about on FF/DD ( although I'm sure someone will tell me different) doing the FTSP/OST Package/Deployment cycle and are being utilised for those short burst surges (Joint Warrior) and FP. You're average Jack just has little exposure to the Reserve and as I said previously, despite the good work they do and the skills they bring, they just don't crop up in the normal run of things.

How you change that (does it need to be changed?) I'm really not sure
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
Part of the problem is that the Naval Service is inherently Y tribal and full of lots of communities of people who rarely meet other parts of the organisation. I suspect the average matelot has a very limited understanding of what many of the smaller and more esoteric bits of the RN do, let alone the RNR.
 
Tats, I think you have summed it up.
And asked a bleddy good question. The answer to which is bloomin difficult. But as reservists now start to spend more time at sea alongside thier regular cousins, this may change - but over time.
The new initiative of pairing ships directly with reserve units is a step in the right direction, eventually, as the reservists get "skilled up" we might well see HMS T23/45 stopping in the Med on the way Holme from a deployment and embarking a party of reservists to relieve the advance leave party!!!
 

FlagWagger

GCM
Book Reviewer
The new initiative of pairing ships directly with reserve units is a step in the right direction, eventually, as the reservists get "skilled up" we might well see HMS T23/45 stopping in the Med on the way Holme from a deployment and embarking a party of reservists to relieve the advance leave party!!!

Nothing new in this idea, HMS Forward used to have close links with the Brum; I and several others did exactly this in March 1992, joining in Cyprus and leaving in Pompey 3 weeks later (with stop-overs in Cagliari, Gib and Lisbon).

The down-side of back-filling the advanced leave party is that training and exercise serials are limited - for some reason, the regulars just want to get home with minimum fuss and maybe have a run ashore or ten too! However, despite this minor down-side, CY FW thoroughly enjoyed this trip and learned a hell of a lot about being a Senior Rate in the RN/RNR.



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wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
Without incurring the wrath of PT the RNR filling "regular jobs" is perfect for when the brass don't know how long the regular billet is going to exist for, or know that it is a short term job.

That could occur in only a fraction of possible jobs. The time it takes a reserve to get to be on the trained strength is an issue, then you ideally need people with experience or it becomes a case of is it worth it, or better to suffer the gap.

and before there is a bleat I've been a reservist and a regular myself, and I've worked in CMRES, I understand the training, the requirement and the reality.

The bottom line is we really need to fill up with regulars and then once again try and work out how to properly employ the MR rather than what is being suggested here which shows there isn't a coherent strategy for that.
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
Many RNR specialisations focus on being in an Ops room somewhere, something that tends not to be in the first years of a regular's career.

Really - not how the mainstream Warfare see their career.

Maybe it's because the majority of the MR are employed away from mainstream Navy - maybe thats because there isn't the training, or time, to allow that to happen? If that is the case then why do we persevere and try to squeeze the MR into that role. Why not go back to how it was in the 80s/90s - where the MR existed to backfill the RN to allow them to conduct surge. Target roles (mainly) shoreside that people can specifically train for and step in.
 

CmdKeen

Lantern Swinger
I don't think we're actually at cross purposes. The point was that unless you're actually working with a reservist you might not actually realise they are one. The (collective noun?) of Lts and Lt Cdrs that turn up on a command platform before Joint Warrior kicks off may or may not be reservists, the majority of the crew won't have a clue.

What many branches do train for - specific, shoreside and seagoing, jobs that are often an ADQUAL for a regular. The real value is that many of those roles are ones where the regulars are in short supply, or the regular would be early in their careers and the RNR can provide people who are actually more experienced in that specific role having trained for years. Given the massive sea time demands of the regular Warfare training pipeline we provide a valuable service in being able to provide SQEP capability for the jobs that would otherwise be another sea going draft. There's at least one capability where the RNR are asked to sign off the RN due to the amount of experience available.

That said this is officer and senior rate specific, JRs are a whole different story and with the end of P Sqn there is an ongoing debate about what the RN uses the pool of JR manpower for.

That said there is an effort underway to significantly improve links between the surface fleet and the RNR, so those on a ship are likely to see more of the RNR in the next few years. It's those on Mon-Fri shore drafts that are less likely to see us.
 

Irezumi

Badgeman
I think that the missing link is at JR level as has been alluded to. As said above, another officer embarking for Joint Whatever is just another generic officer who's onboard for a few weeks as far as the Ships Company are concerned. Possibly the answer lies in the suggestion that we can get more Junior Rates to sea on a more regular basis who are onboard long enough to be absorbed into the Ships Company and more importantly are employable (that's in no way a dig) and willing to learn (again, not a dig at all).

When those occasions would be appropriate I'm not sure. Most FF/DD I've deployed on have been toppers, is it fair to drop a Reservist into OST. On the flip side, is it of benefit to the Reservist to do OST? Could there be some sort of accelerated advancement for those Reservists who have been involved in the SARC/BOST/Shakedown/Work Up processes?
 

2_deck_dash

War Hero
Back again. I'm beginning to wonder whether it is actually worth joining the RNR. I had developed an interest in the intelligence corps so I'm unsure. The vibe I'm picking up as I looked through various threads on here has been rather negative of the RNR (lack of organisation, taking a long time to issue kit, long waiting list times for training, very limited promotion prospects etc) Has made me genuinely wonder whether this would be the best option for me.

I have always been attracted to the navy but from my very brief service in the RNR I saw very little evidence of what the actually did in unit. The only reason I'd be interested in joining would be to develop myself all round. If this is something not likely to happen in th RNR I think I may cut my losses.

Does anyone provide any insight into this for me?

To bring this thread back on track and answer the OP's original question.

Firstly, we know each other. Sorry I didn't reply to your PM, I've been busy.

From the brief conversations we had at the unit and having been through the same recruitment process as you and the same first few training nights, I can completely understand your hesitation in going back.

The reason you didn't see anything of particular interest at the unit, is because nothing of any particular interest happened during that time, or in the subsequent 6 months that I bothered to hang around. Literally the highlight of 6 months of drill nights were the whole ship's sports evenings.

Some of us did some CW classes which were admittedly very good, however this (along with the new entry training) was the only structured training I saw or experienced during that time.

However my situation vastly differs to yours. I spent 6 years in the RN doing this shit every day, after that I spent 5 years in one of the most exciting, well trained and best equipped reserve units in NATO.

Being expected to go at the excruciatingly slow pace that the RNR does business and repeat training that I have done countless times in the past, is completely unacceptable to me.

You on the other hand are just starting out, all the stuff that the RNR has to offer will be brand new to you and will challenge you both mentally and physically. I don't think you can really judge the RNR on the 3 drill nights you've done. As we've already ascertained, for whatever reason, literally **** all happens on drill nights.

Get a weekend or two banged in, play with some guns and shit before completely discounting the RNR.
 
I'm in the RNR Air Branch, which is run differently to the RNR General Service. For instance we do not have training evenings. If you are interested call Cdr Kelly via the RNAS Yeovilton exchange on 01935 455001 and ask for the RNR Air Branch Office.
 

SDB0509

Midshipman
To bring this thread back on track and answer the OP's original question.

Firstly, we know each other. Sorry I didn't reply to your PM, I've been busy.

From the brief conversations we had at the unit and having been through the same recruitment process as you and the same first few training nights, I can completely understand your hesitation in going back.

The reason you didn't see anything of particular interest at the unit, is because nothing of any particular interest happened during that time, or in the subsequent 6 months that I bothered to hang around. Literally the highlight of 6 months of drill nights were the whole ship's sports evenings.

Some of us did some CW classes which were admittedly very good, however this (along with the new entry training) was the only structured training I saw or experienced during that time.

However my situation vastly differs to yours. I spent 6 years in the RN doing this shit every day, after that I spent 5 years in one of the most exciting, well trained and best equipped reserve units in NATO.

Being expected to go at the excruciatingly slow pace that the RNR does business and repeat training that I have done countless times in the past, is completely unacceptable to me.

You on the other hand are just starting out, all the stuff that the RNR has to offer will be brand new to you and will challenge you both mentally and physically. I don't think you can really judge the RNR on the 3 drill nights you've done. As we've already ascertained, for whatever reason, literally **** all happens on drill nights.

Get a weekend or two banged in, play with some guns and shit before completely discounting the RNR.

Hi nice to hear from you. I'll take what you have said on board (no pun intended).
 

Crabtree

Newbie
This has been something I've been worrying over reading over these forums, is it worthwhile? I'm currently in the first year of my Universities URNU so I'm already in to a degree, but in a few years should I transfer into the reserves proper, what am I going to find? I'm not looking to collect badges or anything, more I saw it as a national service like thing, but does the RNR operate in the field, or is it like a few posts I've seen have a number of people in bases making work for each other? I've been lurking for a while, and my thanks to Ninja_Stoker and 2_deck_dash for perhaps unknowingly helping me get this far, but I get the feeling the RNR is stuck in a rut?
I'm planning on being in it for the long haul mind, I'm just worried I can't see how the efforts end up helping the Navy as a whole at the end.
Thankyou for your time,
Crabtree
 
Crabtree
The only real way to make your mind up is to visit a unit and see for your self.
As it happens, now is most certainly the time, as if you are quick, you can be in by July and then get paid all summer, (ask the AFCO & Unit about HERMES) plus several bounties/bonuses, not quite sure of total, but approaching £5K! - and of course, you are not actually committed, and can drop out along the way, but you can't drop out if you don't start the process.

Take a risk, pop down and see real people, not virtual people, they can't eat you, and you might be surprised how friendly and welcoming they are.

Where is your nearest unit?

Good luck
 
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Crabtree

Newbie
Now that is an interesting idea, I'll have to make enquirers about that in the new year when the units up and running again. Closest would be HMS Scotia, which I want to on entry weekend. £5k? I can think of worse things to do over the summer.

I'm not sure if its worth a thread on its own, but by comparison to the Armys reserve information it seems the Navy one is quite esoteric, pieces here, pieces there. Is there a centralised RNR progression guide I've missed somewhere? Hoping that Engineering branch is up and running well in a few years and has opened up to new reserves, haven't seen much news on it lately.

Thanks
 
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