IRAQ - So, should we, or shouldn't we ? Strength of fee

On reflection was Britain right to invade Iraq?

  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Should we leave now?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    777

Navy1

Midshipman
Tonights Portsmouth Evening News front page and inside feature was full of criticism from 'Navy Sources' on the Iraq war... and then you read on and find that only 20 people were canvassed !

Link here :

http://www.portsmouthtoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=455&ArticleID=1391718

Seems a pretty crap sample size and I know that PEN is a fairly obnoxious newspaper but actually this is such an important issue (not least cos' Labour MP for Portsmouth was quick to say that morale was fine and the survey was rubbish ... another MP who has not the slightest idea about the militray but likes the sound of her hot air escaping into a journo's ear). So, can we run a poll on this site ? Suggest the questions are:

1. Was Britain right to invade?
2. Should the PM be impeached?
3. Should we leave now?

What do you all reckon? In order to get a decent barometer for feeling in the service can we restrict replies just to current servicemen and women. No offence intended to anyone else.
 

PompeySailor

Lantern Swinger
Re: IRAQ - So, should we, or shouldn't we ? Strength of

1. No, changed my mind when we were down there and it dawned on me that we had been royally lied to by all and sundry.
2. Yes, but you have as much chance of that as you have of knitting fog!
3. Pass. Really don't know, and it's above my pay level. Suck out and leave a vacuum, or stick with it and see what happens? Glad it's not my choice.

Portsmouth Evening News is somewhere below the Scum on the ranking table of newspapers. Even the print quality is so poor you are almost guaranteed to get an imprint of Harry Redknapp's mush on yer arrse!

The survey was of 20 people, and the amateur journo states that:

Just half of the service personnel we questioned felt Britain was right to invade Iraq in 2003. (meaning that "just half felt that we were wrong...")

A third of those who expressed an opinion felt Tony Blair should be impeached. (meaning that two thirds didn't!)

My 10 year old can do better than this with stats for his homework....
 

sidon55

Lantern Swinger
Re: IRAQ - So, should we, or shouldn't we ? Strength of

Must have a good chance then. PS, as my daughter knitted a frog.
 

finknottle

Banned
Re: IRAQ - So, should we, or shouldn't we ? Strength of

1. NO
2. YES
3.YES

All the Portsmouth News is doing is performing its public service in highlighting the feeling amongst a very large percentage of the population that Blair should never have blindly followed Bush into Iraq.

The country is a daily bloodbath and IMO in a state of civil war. I wonder if those who say we should stay until the job is completed can say how long that job will take and would they be prepared to say how many more of our troops should loose their lives in this recklessness?

Reconstruction! Now there is a laugh 23 billion dollars of Iraq’s money set aside for this has been squandered or misappropriated and now the pot is empty. Innocent children are dying daily due to the lack of basic medicines and medical equipment. I am sorry to say but the battle for hearts and minds has been lost, not by us Brits but by our friends across the pond.
 

Full_ahead_both

Midshipman
Re: IRAQ - So, should we, or shouldn't we ? Strength of

1. Probably
2. No
3. No

Let's not get carried away here. Saddam was a total git who happily murdered his own people and invaded his neighbours with regular monotony. Is the world a better place overall without Saddam in charge - yes. Is it crap that the place has gone to a ball of chalk - yes but has it now got a chance to be a better place - also yes.

As for impeaching President Blair, the man's a lying, coniving bastard but he was most likely told that Saddam did have WMD and was able to use it. Has he totally wriggled since we didn't find anything - yes.

Having gone in there - good or bad, we cannot now pull out. I've spent 6 months of my life in the country and had good mates killed over the last 3 years but we must not and cannot walk away now. People die every day and yes, its crap when servicemen are killed, but at the end of the day it's the job and that's why we get the X-Factor.

Grow up, do your job as best you can, and stop dripping about stuff that you really don't understand. If you're not happy to get killed doing your job, go and work for McDonalds - being in the military means sorting things out on behalf of your elected Government. Vote them out next time if you must, but stop this bleeding hearts stuff :wink:
 

Seadog

War Hero
Moderator
Re: IRAQ - So, should we, or shouldn't we ? Strength of

Full Ahead Both wrote
Let's not get carried away here. Saddam was a total git who happily murdered his own people and invaded his neighbours with regular monotony.
Plenty blokes like that around any town and city in the UK. Our Government should be bringing law and order, peace and stability to our own country first.

In the lead up to war, the feeling in my grey box was ‘what the fcuk are we doing here?’. Those old and bold with the Falklands under their belts thought the Falklands a worthwhile fight and risk. The coming one was not. However, most of us didn’t believe Iraq had any WMD so we weren’t crapping it. We were relatively safe in the NAG from conventional threats (stand fast friendly fire).

Like the SAS bloke who ‘came out’ against the war last week, I don’t want to be used to support American foreign policy. Nor do I feel it appropriate to topple Saddam but not Mugabe. Our Government's priorities are arrse about face. Iraq was not/is not about the United Kingdom’s interests, it’s about Bliar’s place on the world stage and his place in history. The Armed Forces are being abused. The X factor doesn’t cover that.

Grow up, do your job as best you can, and stop dripping about stuff that you really don't understand.
And you do? :roll:

In answer to the questions;

No

Yes

No. How to improve things? I'm working on that.
 

finknottle

Banned
Re: IRAQ - So, should we, or shouldn't we ? Strength of

You join the Armed Services to defend your country not to boost some PM/ Presidents ego especially when they think they are on a mission from god! If we pull out and hopefully that will happen when Blair stands down the tragedy will be that the lives of those already lost will have been for nowt, a fact that I fully understand. The tribal and religious divisions of the Iraqi's themselves mean that democracy as we know it will never work for them. So FAB I am sorry to say that your gung- ho approach does not cut any ice with me. As for this administration they are no better or worse than the last lot, as the events of 1982 demonstrate, a pox on all their houses I say.
 

PragmaticJen

Badgeman
Re: IRAQ - So, should we, or shouldn't we ? Strength of

The reality is that thousands of Iraqis have suffered and the country is now in a worse state than under Saddam. As for the terrorism, we are all now more at risk then ever before. Bet Bin Laddin is rubbing his hands with glee!!

Endof!
 

sparks

Midshipman
Re: IRAQ - So, should we, or shouldn't we ? Strength of

dont get it why will bin LADEN be rubbing his hands?
 

sidon55

Lantern Swinger
Re: IRAQ - So, should we, or shouldn't we ? Strength of

It must be pretty obvious by now that as soon as we leave Iraq, civil war will break out. There is no way the a forced democracy will work - never has in the middle east.
 

PragmaticJen

Badgeman
Re: IRAQ - So, should we, or shouldn't we ? Strength of

sparks said:
dont get it why will bin LADEN be rubbing his hands?

THE INVASION IS EXCACTLY WHAT HE WANTED! AL QUEDA NOW HAS A STRONGHOLD IN IRAQ!
Saddam is making a mockery of his TRIAL - and thousands have perished!
 
Re: IRAQ - So, should we, or shouldn't we ? Strength of

I think they should've left Saddam as he was-- Iraq was fairly stable internally --Ok Saddam was a hard brstard but thats how you deal with tribal wars!!
Slap them down enough and they all get along peacefully.

Classic one ---the old Yugoslavia---------------with TITO ?Another hard man
as soon as the guy snuffed it the Serbs and every religeous sect started genocide
Now the place is quiet --they gave all the warring factions their own bit of the country and we still have the peacekeepers making sure they don't start again.
 

Navy1

Midshipman
Re: IRAQ - So, should we, or shouldn't we ? Strength of

Great debate developing here .... can I just remind people to vote on the three questions that started this strand when they add their views... they were

1. Were we right to invade
2. Should Blair be impeached
3. Should we get out now ?

:D
 

hobbit

War Hero
Re: IRAQ - So, should we, or shouldn't we ? Strength of

Yair, lookin' at the bleedin' shambles, bit hard to know what to do but it should never have happened IMHO. It is worse than when SH wuz there and it seems there is no satisfactory end in sight, a right bleedin pot mess.
Marshall Law comes to mind with strict curfews but dealing with such fanatical people the only solution seems to be referee the match 'till the last man standing then off to a fresh start. Sure wish someone could sort it out for the poor souls who want a normal life. :(


Yair, with the questions;
1 NO ( cant change that)
2 YES( # 1 punishment)
3 NO ( someone's gotta sort the mess out)
 

PragmaticJen

Badgeman
Re: IRAQ - So, should we, or shouldn't we ? Strength of

sparks said:
that has been for ages and its al qaeda
Don't patronise me Sparks ! Why not put your points across about this emotive subject, instead of playing the devils advocate... :evil:
 

PragmaticJen

Badgeman
Re: IRAQ - So, should we, or shouldn't we ? Strength of

Three years ( 8O ) after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, bodies of civilians turn up daily, at least 2,314 U.S. military personnel have died, and more than 50 000 civilians in Iraq, elections have been held, but a government hasn't been formed. and officials from Iraq and the United States are debating whether the county is in a civil war. Iraq is losing each day as an average 50 to 60 people throughout the country, if not more. If this is not civil war, then God knows what civil war is! :(
 
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