Iran's Holocaust Conference

Seadog

War Hero
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Polaroid, the Pope was circa 14 when he was in the Hitler Youth Youth Movement (no choice in the matter though I believe his family did leg it later). He was never, as Always a Civvy has alluded, to in the 12th SS Panzer Division (Hitler Youth) a different beast from the same manpower pool.

Keep the thread on track please.
 
Seadog said:
Polaroid, the Pope was circa 14 when he was in the Hitler Youth Youth Movement (no choice in the matter though I believe his family did leg it later). He was never, as Always a Civvy has alluded, to in the 12th SS Panzer Division (Hitler Youth) a different beast from the same manpower pool.

Keep the thread on track please.

I disagree with you on this. When the Pope was 14, people of his age were in full-time employment in Britain and considered to be mature enough to make their own decisions. There is no fact to prove here.

Whilst your opinion is interesting, it should not be the deciding factor in moderation decisions. Please don't put people off posting with your own bias.
 

Seadog

War Hero
Moderator
I disagree with you on this.

On what? Allowing the thread to wander or on the Pope's membership of an SS Panzer Division?

Whilst your opinion is interesting, it should not be the deciding factor in moderation decisions. Please don't put people off posting with your own bias.

I have two hats here. I am allowed to post my own comment/opinion and moderate. I don't bin posts that disagree with my opinion but I do bin posts that are irrelevant or I ask the poster(s) to come back on track, not back on message. Or do you feel that one or more of the binned posts (beer, tits or bacon) added intellectual gravitas to the thread?
 
Seadog said:
On what? Allowing the thread to wander or on the Pope's membership of an SS Panzer Division?

Whilst your opinion is interesting, it should not be the deciding factor in moderation decisions. Please don't put people off posting with your own bias.

I have two hats here. I am allowed to post my own comment/opinion and moderate. I don't bin posts that disagree with my opinion but I do bin posts that are irrelevant or I ask the poster(s) to come back on track, not back on message. Or do you feel that one or more of the binned posts (beer, tits or bacon) added intellectual gravitas to the thread?

I didn't read the "binned" posts, as they had already been binned.

I don't believe that wandering off topic is necessarily a bad thing, as background information on a topic is often introduced in just such a manner.

I disagreed with your postulation that the Pope would have had no choice but to join the Hitler Youth because he was only 14.
 

Bergen

ADC
This demonisation of Iran has a direct parallel to the propaganda being spread just before the illegal invasion of Iraq.

There is a huge difference in what President Ahmadinejad actually says and how it is translated in the main stream media.

We all know that he said that "Israel should be wiped off the map". We know this because the press made it headline news.

What he actually said was "This regime occupying Jerusalem will vanish from the pages of time" this was a reference to something that he had said earlier about The Shah's regime, Saddam Hussein and the Soviet Union all seemingly invincible, yet all falling in the blink of an eye.

The MSM reports that Ahmadinejad says "The main cure for the crisis in the Middle East is the elimination of Israel"...............what he actually said was "The real cure for the conflict is the elimination of the Zionist Regime, but there should be an immediate cease-fire first".

When Ahmadinejad says that "Israel will be engulfed in a wave of morality" it appears in MSM that he has said that "Israel will be engulfed in a wave of assaults".

It's not really surprising that people in the Middle East want to debate Israel and the holocaust and to ask why they are carrying the can for Germany; the natural forum would be the UN but any debate on Israeli behaviour is strangled at birth by the USA and by Israel's amen corner AIPAC.

RM
 

nutty_bag

War Hero
Bergen said:
This demonisation of Iran has a direct parallel to the propaganda being spread just before the illegal invasion of Iraq.

There is a huge difference in what President Ahmadinejad actually says and how it is translated in the main stream media.

We all know that he said that "Israel should be wiped off the map". We know this because the press made it headline news.

What he actually said was "This regime occupying Jerusalem will vanish from the pages of time" this was a reference to something that he had said earlier about The Shah's regime, Saddam Hussein and the Soviet Union all seemingly invincible, yet all falling in the blink of an eye.

The MSM reports that Ahmadinejad says "The main cure for the crisis in the Middle East is the elimination of Israel"...............what he actually said was "The real cure for the conflict is the elimination of the Zionist Regime, but there should be an immediate cease-fire first".

When Ahmadinejad says that "Israel will be engulfed in a wave of morality" it appears in MSM that he has said that "Israel will be engulfed in a wave of assaults".

It's not really surprising that people in the Middle East want to debate Israel and the holocaust and to ask why they are carrying the can for Germany; the natural forum would be the UN but any debate on Israeli behaviour is strangled at birth by the USA and by Israel's amen corner AIPAC.

RM

As usual bergen a well rounded debate on the middle east!!

N.B
 
asst_dep_to_dep_asst said:
I disagreed with your postulation that the Pope would have had no choice but to join the Hitler Youth because he was only 14.

Having visited police state and observed the behaviour of the average citizen to the problems of such an existance, whislt I would agree people do not have to choose conformity, on the otherhand conformity is for most people the safe and sane course of action, people joined the Nazi Pary and it's organisations not just because of political belief but for priviledges, and often because not to do so attracted attention of an undesirable nature. Much the same as the communist system in the old east block which I observed in action in East Germany or during General Zias dictatorship in Pakistan which I laso observed.

Peter
 

Bergen

ADC
Maxi_77 said:
asst_dep_to_dep_asst said:
I disagreed with your postulation that the Pope would have had no choice but to join the Hitler Youth because he was only 14.

Having visited police state and observed the behaviour of the average citizen to the problems of such an existance, whislt I would agree people do not have to choose conformity, on the otherhand conformity is for most people the safe and sane course of action, people joined the Nazi Pary and it's organisations not just because of political belief but for priviledges, and often because not to do so attracted attention of an undesirable nature. Much the same as the communist system in the old east block which I observed in action in East Germany or during General Zias dictatorship in Pakistan which I laso observed.

Peter

Interesting observations that become even more interesting when linked into Iraq.

If you wanted a job as a bus-conductor in Iraq then you had to be a Ba'ath Party member. If you didn't join then you didn't work and if you didn't work then you didn't eat. Simple stuff.

After the invasion many people realised that it would be impossible to ban Ba'ath Party rank and file members from employment because of the immense social unrest that it would cause. The actions of Paul Bremmer US Proconsul in disbanding the entire Iraqi army and dismissing all Ba'ath Party members from their jobs set off the insurgency. He did this despite objections from the US Army and with no consultation with the Blessed St.Tony of London.

Makes the 14 year old future Oberpopenfuhrer's actions seem almost reasonable.

RM
 
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