Iran Detains Yachties (Merged Threads)

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Iranian Navy detains sailors

Five Britons have been detained by the Iranian navy while sailing a yacht from Bahrain to Dubai, the Foreign Office (FCO) has said.

The sailors were crewing a boat belonging to Sail Bahrain when they were stopped on 25 November.

In a statement, the FCO said it was possible the crew, who are still in Iran, may have "strayed inadvertently into Iranian waters".

The five are understood to be safe and well and their families have been told.
It is not known where the sailors.

How long before they're paraded around on TV?
 
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"Experienced sailor Smith, 31, from Southampton, completed a degree in Ocean Science and Marine Navigation at the University of Plymouth whilst sailing on the University Mens' 1st Team."

Give degrees away these days, Marine Navigation lol, sailing up the solent to dock in Rosyth comes to mind

If he had any common DF He would have known precise navigation is very important in these parts vis a vi Cornwall unless so busy studying his degree he missed reading news articles

Jack McH
 

Seadog

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I expect that the civvy yacht was on 'innocent passage', not that that'll matter to the Iranians, the ill informed internet knob quotient or the UK gutter press.
 
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Seems they drifted into Iranian waters around Sirri Island…

Not a bright place to be sailing near, the natives are well known to be rather belligerent.
 
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Re: Iranian Navy detains sailors

Seadog said:
I expect that the civvy yacht was on 'innocent passage', not that that'll matter to the Iranians, the ill informed internet knob quotient or the UK gutter press.
You and I know that these unfortunate yachties had every right to free passage through Iranian territorial waters. However, as most journalists seem incapable of distinguishing between maritime combat and maritime constabulary (policing) operations, and the widely different rules that govern the conduct of each, I doubt that many know or even care about the provisions of UNCLOS (UN Convention on the Law of the Sea). Like some ignorant bystanders, they are liable to accuse the yachties of recklessly infringing Iran's territorial rights. For their benefit, here's Part II - TERRITORIAL SEA AND CONTIGUOUS ZONE of which the Islamic Republic of Iran is an IMO signatory (www.sjofartsverket.se/pages/10806/15-INF9.pdf+unclos+1+list+of+signatories&cd=13&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a]link[/url]). It's difficult to see how a racing yacht could have contravened any of its stipulations:

UNCLOS said:
[align=center]SECTION 3. INNOCENT PASSAGE IN THE TERRITORIAL SEA

SUBSECTION A. RULES APPLICABLE TO ALL SHIPS


Article17

Right of innocent passage[/align]

Subject to this Convention, ships of all States, whether coastal or land-locked, enjoy the right of innocent passage through the territorial sea.


[align=center]Article18

Meaning of passage[/align]

1. Passage means navigation through the territorial sea for the purpose of:

(a) traversing that sea without entering internal waters or calling at a roadstead or port facility outside internal waters; or

(b) proceeding to or from internal waters or a call at such roadstead or port facility.

2. Passage shall be continuous and expeditious. However, passage includes stopping and anchoring, but only in so far as the same are incidental to ordinary navigation or are rendered necessary by force majeure or distress or for the purpose of rendering assistance to persons, ships or aircraft in danger or distress.
[align=center]
Article19

Meaning of innocent passage[/align]

1. Passage is innocent so long as it is not prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of the coastal State. Such passage shall take place in conformity with this Convention and with other rules of international law.

2. Passage of a foreign ship shall be considered to be prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of the coastal State if in the territorial sea it engages in any of the following activities:

(a) any threat or use of force against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of the coastal State, or in any other manner in violation of the principles of international law embodied in the Charter of the United Nations;

(b) any exercise or practice with weapons of any kind;

(c) any act aimed at collecting information to the prejudice of the defence or security of the coastal State;

(d) any act of propaganda aimed at affecting the defence or security of the coastal State;

(e) the launching, landing or taking on board of any aircraft;

(f) the launching, landing or taking on board of any military device;

(g) the loading or unloading of any commodity, currency or person contrary to the customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations of the coastal State;

(h) any act of wilful and serious pollution contrary to this Convention;

(i) any fishing activities;

(j) the carrying out of research or survey activities;

(k) any act aimed at interfering with any systems of communication or any other facilities or installations of the coastal State;

(l) any other activity not having a direct bearing on passage.
Perhaps the yachties could have been more careful but the waters claimed by Iran around such politically sensitive islands as Sirri, dotted around the middle of the Gulf, are unavoidably close to any vessel's track between Bahrain, Dubai and Muscat. I know from having operated there and any vessel breaking down would risk drifting into them. Like the white ensign worn by a lightly armed RIB engaged in UN-mandated boarding operations, perhaps having 'The Kingdom of Bahrain' emblazoned on the hull made it an irresistable, albeit unjustifiable, target for the Iranians.
 
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Naval_Gazer said:
[perhaps having 'The Kingdom of Bahrain' emblazoned on the hull made it an irresistable, albeit unjustifiable, target for the Iranians.

Considering the rowdiness by the pro Iranian Shiites in Bahrain and the repression of said Shiites by the Bahraini authorites, and considering that Iran regards Bahrain as part of it's historic territory, sailing a Bahraini boat near Iranians waters was probably not the smartest of moves.

http://www.alarabiya.net/views/2009/03/03/67617.html
 

TheRowan

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Oil_Slick said:
Naval_Gazer said:
[perhaps having 'The Kingdom of Bahrain' emblazoned on the hull made it an irresistable, albeit unjustifiable, target for the Iranians.

Considering the rowdiness by the pro Iranian Shiites in Bahrain and the repression of said Shiites by the Bahraini authorites, and considering that Iran regards Bahrain as part of it's historic territory, sailing a Bahraini boat near Iranians waters was probably not the smartest of moves.

http://www.alarabiya.net/views/2009/03/03/67617.html
However, as Iran is so close to Bahrain I can imagine it being very hard to sail a Bahraini boat without sailing close to Iranian waters. Arresting a vessel on innocent passage through your own territorial waters is one thing (illegal, but I can imagine the Iranian government coming up with a semi-plausible explanation), allowing another nation to prevent your vessels moving through your own territorial waters is another thing entirely.
 
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TheRowan said:
Oil_Slick said:
Naval_Gazer said:
[perhaps having 'The Kingdom of Bahrain' emblazoned on the hull made it an irresistable, albeit unjustifiable, target for the Iranians.

Considering the rowdiness by the pro Iranian Shiites in Bahrain and the repression of said Shiites by the Bahraini authorites, and considering that Iran regards Bahrain as part of it's historic territory, sailing a Bahraini boat near Iranians waters was probably not the smartest of moves.

http://www.alarabiya.net/views/2009/03/03/67617.html
However, as Iran is so close to Bahrain I can imagine it being very hard to sail a Bahraini boat without sailing close to Iranian waters. Arresting a vessel on innocent passage through your own territorial waters is one thing (illegal, but I can imagine the Iranian government coming up with a semi-plausible explanation), allowing another nation to prevent your vessels moving through your own territorial waters is another thing entirely.

Smart move would have been to sail south of Sirri Island…

 
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To what measure of pissedness do you refer, Sir?


Perhaps the Iranians should have been rendering assistance in preference to flaccid willy waving; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8387740.stm

Dubai-Muscat Offshore Race organisers said the crew of the Kingdom of Bahrain yacht, who were preparing for a race, may have been "drifting" after experiencing propeller problems.

Louay Habib, from the Dubai Offshore Sailing Club, told the BBC the shore crew for the boat had said "there was no wind at the time, and they told us that they were organising for a tow to come and get them".

He added: "It's purely speculation but they would have probably been drifting... in 10 hours they could well have strayed into Iranian waters."
 

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