Introduction: RN Submariner - Undergraduate Apprenticeship Scheme (UGAS)

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
Perk of being a bomber queen (middle bit) is that we were 1 in 3 so could have our daily beer ration when under way so no worries about the long life milk! Back afties and ourselves used to have one or two sociable drinks after the first.
Never understood why they made the control room team 1 in 2 on bombers when they had more than enough people to go at least 1 in 3 with cover available for comfort breaks etc. Often resulted in someone doing SCOOW for 1 hour out of 6! As for work up, poor buggers doing the long middle were completely knackered as they would only realistically get time to sleep between 7pm and midnight.
All SSN's fwd are 1 in 2, it was the only "culture shock" I had when I finally escaped from back aft and went wrecker.
 
Never had the option of retraining and going SSN. Once they have you in the SWS the only way out is to return general service or leave the RN. I would have liked the opportunity of seeing more than just Faslavatory and Coulport (plus the occasional East Coast USA jaunt) but it was what it was.
 

Sharkfan

Midshipman
All SSN's fwd are 1 in 2, it was the only "culture shock" I had when I finally escaped from back aft and went wrecker.

I remember setting off on an S boat being the standard 1 in 3 back aft with two trainee Reactor Panel Operators; the first qualified really quickly so we went 1 in 4 with a 'big 12' off every couple of days, then toward the end of the trip the next guy qualified and we went 1 in 5 for a couple of days before the constant dripping from everyone else got too much and one went onto day work.
 

Sumo

War Hero
on one trip we had 5 pannel qualified per watch, we chose every 5th watch, at sea, we had on watch movie and scran, still standing fire party
 

TNSL101

Midshipman
Hi, I'm a UGAS applicant. I first applied in March, went through many months of back and forth correspondence with Capita then passed my PJFT almost a month ago. My careers advisor said he is going to bid for a place for me on the PRNC but still haven't heard anything. There are no messages on the online portal either. Does anyone know when the PRNC is likely to be? I understand UGAS PRNCs are at set times - I just wondered when and how often? Thanks
 

Sumo

War Hero
Hi, I'm a UGAS applicant. I first applied in March, went through many months of back and forth correspondence with Capita then passed my PJFT almost a month ago. My careers advisor said he is going to bid for a place for me on the PRNC but still haven't heard anything. There are no messages on the online portal either. Does anyone know when the PRNC is likely to be? I understand UGAS PRNCs are at set times - I just wondered when and how often? Thanks
Calling @Ninja_Stoker
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
My understanding was you get allocated a provisiojal entry date first and then a place on PRNC is offered. If in doubt, call your AFCO.

There's a new recruiting software system which is a bit of a nightmare but you should get a clearer picture of where you are at if you call your careers adviser.
 

TNSL101

Midshipman
Thanks. I’m still waiting for my start date.

Does anybody have any info on the numbers of people who get turned down from the UGAS role following the specialist interview? I’m guessing there are lots of applicants but limited number of places available. I just wondered what my chances are of actually being offered a place on the scheme...
 

Al1902

Midshipman
Put it this way (in week 3 of basic & got UGAS), 3/4 that were interviewed at the PRNC were offered UGAS. Currently with a cohort of 20 ish UGAS personnel at Raleigh.
 

NUGAT

Midshipman
Hi Ninja, just to keep it all in one place, is the information in your OP still accurate in regards to the required UGAS points being 160, as opposed to 48 and the age-limit being 29, as opposed to 34?

Much appreciated !
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Hi Ninja, just to keep it all in one place, is the information in your OP still accurate in regards to the required UGAS points being 160, as opposed to 48 and the age-limit being 29, as opposed to 34?

Much appreciated !
Good shout - VMT :)

I'll amend post #1 and the thread title (if it'll let me).

For those unaware:

The first iteration of the Royal Navy Undergraduate Apprenticeship Scheme (UGAS) for ET(MESM) was introduced as indicated in post #1 The scheme was then expanded to include ET(WESM)specialisations. A single application was then introduced to replace separate MESM/WESM options with UGAS candidates being streamed MESM or WESM during Phase II of training. Further amendments have since been made to support the main objective which continues to be mitigating shortfalls of MESM and WESM operators/ maintainers at the Petty Officer level.

UGAS offers an accelerated training route to Petty Officer Engineering Technician (POET) and is aimed at recruits with a minimum of Level 3 STEM qualifications who will join on an 8.5 year tailored career (TC). They start as probationary Leading Hands and undertake approximately 3.5 years of intensive training to qualify as POETs before serving at sea as qualified POET (MESM or WESM) operators/maintainers for a minimum of 3 years. Their TC finishes with a 1 year in-service university course that will gain candidates a BEng (Hons) degree.

The main characteristics of the scheme, are:

An 8.5 year initial engagement with the option to extend, A paid in-service BEng(Hons) engineering degree (includes 1 year at university)Joining as probationary Leading Hand with current salary of £31,166.

Confirmed in the substantive rank of LET after approx. 18 mths and POET after approx. 4 years, subject to meeting the schemes’ criteria,

Career choices at the end of the scheme including an option to apply for a career extension to 20 years (ES2), MESM or WESM Officer (if AIB passed and selected) or leave the RN with a degree and valuable technician experience.

Applicability All eligible civilian applicants applying to join as ET(MESM) or ET(WESM).

Standard eligibility criteria for ET(MESM/WESM) will apply, with the following additions and exceptions:

Age on entry of 18 – 34 years old.

Meet academic eligibility – in summary:

5x GCSE at grade A*- C inc Maths, English and at least one science based subject.

At least 48 UCAS points from a range of Level 3 qualifications in STEM subjects (BTEC, A levels, Highers etc).

Currently MESM UGAS is awarded – BEng(Hons) Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering, WESM UGAS BEng(Hons) Electronic Systems Engineering.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
RN UGAS ACADEMIC QUALIFICATION ELIGIBILITY

The required academic qualification entry requirements for UGAS SM entry. The criteria detailed is valid for all applicants irrespective of which branch they aspire to be eventually streamed as (MESM or WESM).

To be considered for UGAS an applicant must:

  • meet the Level 2 academic standard
  • meet the Level 3 academic and/or vocational standard;

Level 2 qualifications

Requirement: 5x GCSE at Grade C /Level 4 or better, including:

English Language
Mathematics
At least one Science based subject.


Acceptable GCSE Equivalents:

SCE Ordinary Grade, grade C or above
SCE Standard Grade (Credit)
Scottish National 5 Grade C or above
Irish Leaving Certificate Ordinary Level Grade C or above

Note - Functional Skills will not be accepted in lieu of GCSEs.

Level 3 Qualifications – either:

  • Minimum 48 UCAS points from A/A2 Levels, Highers/Advanced Highers (at a grade equivalent to 21 UCAS points or more) in MATHS and any combination of the following subjects:
  • Physics
  • Chemistry
  • Further/Advanced Maths
  • Physical Science
  • Electronics
  • Engineering

  • OR

  • Minimum 48 UCAS points from one Level 3 Vocational Qualification (BTEC, City and Guilds etc) in an engineering discipline which meets the following criteria:

  • Guided Learning Hours - consists of no less than 720 hours of GLH. This includes:
  • Level 3 Diploma (minimum grade MP)
  • Level 3 Extended Diploma (minimum grade PPP)
  • Scottish National Certificate from Group C (Pass)
  • Note – the following qualifications are not accepted under this option:
  • Subsidiary Diploma
  • 90 Credit Diploma
  • Certificates
  • Extended Certificates
  • Subject - acceptable engineering disciplines are:
  • Engineering
  • Mechanical engineering
  • Electrical/electronic engineering
  • Manufacturing engineering
  • Operations and maintenance engineering
  • Aeronautical engineering

  • OR

  • Minimum 48 UCAS points from a Combination of A/A2 Level Maths and STEM vocational courses from the subject list above in para 7 b. (at a grade equivalent to 21 UCAS points or more). The following vocational qualifications can be accepted under this option:
  • Extended Diploma – minimum grade PPP
  • Diploma – minimum grade MP
  • Subsidiary Diploma – minimum grade M
  • 90 Credit Diploma – minimum grade PP
  • Certificate – minimum grade D
  • Extended Certificate – minimum grade M
Other Qualifications

  • Level 4 or higher qualifications. Level 4 or higher qualifications in, Engineering, Electronics, or Maths and a physical science are acceptable in lieu of level 3 qualifications and include:
HNC

HND

Foundation Degree

BSc, BEng degrees

Alternate qualifications. Any applicant presenting a qualification not listed in this RI but clearly of an engineering discipline and at Level 3 or above may be considered on an individual basis with enquiries directed to the ATA SM.
 
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