Interest in direct entry for crewman.

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  1. Gents, out of my own throbbing curiosity how has the uptake of direct entry's into the aircrew world gone? Is everyone falling over at medical stage still?

    Any one in the careers service got any idea or info? With an ever shrinking navy it could be our only way of recruiting with other branches unable to release man power. Just my own opinion and boring curiosity.


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  2. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    I'd say it's probably the most popular branch of preference at present. Word is obviously getting around, but it was a very slow uptake - probably because it was never formally advertised through conventional media. The first NA ACMN entries were undersubscribed and the next couple of entries likewise, so far as I'm aware. It's a bit like AC, no bugger seems to know about the career opportunity. The main stumbling blocks are FATs and the medical, probably because there's no official literature out there to guide applicants on how to prepare to undertake FATs and the aircrew medical standards for entry. In other words the Branch Manager isn't helping manage realistic expectations for direct entry aircrewman.

    Many branches are similar, they think CNR creates the entry standards and recruiting initiatives, they don't, they just ensure the standard set by the branch is applied. If the branch say they want people who are four foot tall, have twenty gcse's, walk with a lisp and no common sense, that's the standard we adhere to.

    In short, a popular but undersubscribed career choice. Why? No advertising, bugger all guidance for applicants.
  3. Or maybe they prefer a lighter blue, more rotary and more dosh!!!!!
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  4. Crash, talking to some of the Aircrewmen involved in the new tranche of DE Aircrewmen they are very positive.

    Us old and bolds were concerned about the watering down of the branch due to a lack of service knowledge. The trainers are very upbeat that the DE entrants will not let the side down and are proving to be just what the branch needs to go forward.

    Any potential aircrewman/woman that they feel would not met the requirements of the Royal Navy will simply not pass through the selection process.

    If you are considering it as a career. Go for it but don't expect help from outside. Most crewmen have to fight for themselves to get what and where they want to be.
  5. that's the kind of forward leaning, 99% need not apply, thinking we need.
  6. I am already a crewman on 845 awkwardly, I heard the new lads will be coming through soon. I am on Merlin conversion in April 15 ish I guess I will be going through with some of these Direct entry cats.

    But thanks for the info before Gents.

    Also Ninja Stoker, if they fail course for whet ever reason what do they revert to? Back to civpop?

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  7. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    That's what I like about the mob, an aircrewman called Crash. Good effort. ;-P

    Good question, well put, not sure it's happened yet.

    Assuming logic is applied (ie: no Officer is involved) one would've thought the same drill is applied to FAA ratings that fail AET training - the individual is offered a transfer to a shortage category branch or discharged under the traditional "three strikes & out" regime.

    A while back, before the SDSR and the FAA redundancies in in the AE world, fall back options included ET(MESM/WESM). Whether that applies to failing NA(ACMN)s remains to be seen.
  8. I was a stoker for my sins before and not changing my name, I get no end of odd looks when people look at my name badge especially off the more senior bods.

    You said the buzz word...LOGIC haha I wouldn't be surprised if the RAF poached them to be fair.

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  9. It says on the RN website restream to WS, threat of that must be an incentive to pass?
  10. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    I guess it depends on age as much as anything - max age for direct entry ACMN is 25. Is it different for "sideways" entry?

    My guess is the RAF applies similar age constraints, but as they don't use helicopter borne ASW aircrewmen (I imagine), the less academically gifted could reasonably have a crack at the "dope on a rope" bit of aircrewmanning with the RAF I s'pose. I'm merely chewing the fat, I really don't know for sure but I know the ASW role involves sums'n'stuff.

    WS(SSM) is possibly viable as R3 suggests.
  11. Is there going to be anymore RAF dope on a rope stuff when SAR goes civvy? Jack will still have to do it when miles out at sea.

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  12. The bigger part of ASW is a good memory, simple maths (it's multiplication with a calculator) and a very good eye.
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  13. Is Aircrewman also known as Aircraft controller? Just had a gander on the website as no idea what they do but on the training section on the Aircrewman page it says AC and not Aircrewman? Sincerely, confused of England.
  14. SAR is going till mid 2015, but dead as in no more personal getting trained up. The RN will continue to do a SARTU package of sorts as part of the course I think. It's by no means a SAR ticket, still a cracking little course I really enjoyed it, Shame it's gone.

    I think it's 32 for the upper age range for branch transfer? Could be wrong.

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  15. Most AC's have no idea what they do but they are a different branch to Aircrewman.
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  16. No, controllers are in the tower crewman are in the cabs. Very different roles.

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  17. Known several people with the name Evans and nick Crash. We even had a Rear Admiral CRash Evans.
  18. Difference is AC's go to the NAAFI and buy all the nutty they can stuff down them sitting at a radar screen, Aircrew get them free!

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  19. In an ASW sense, Acmn are effectively trained to about the same level as a LS(UW) who's done some specialist TEMs. But in the same way the LS(UW) will do some different things when not in the Ops Room, the LAcmn will have different responsibilities whilst flying (and not doing ASW!).
  20. Haha Not as good as it used to be, still get frozen sausage rolls and mars bars.

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