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Intelligence Spec V Comms (Operational Int) Spec

smoothbore

Lantern Swinger
I have received the RNR Guide to Opportunities leaflet as I am thinking of applying, having served as a regular until a few years ago. I am interested in the Int world as I have an IMINT & J2/N2 background, however, I am confused by the apparent separation of the Int function in to an Intelligence Spec (Defence Int & HUMINT) and an Operational Int function as part of the Comms Spec.

Can someone please explain the reasoning for this and the likely different employments and any cross over between the 2 areas. I am well aware that in the RN the int world is a bit of a poor relation and comes under N6 (or used to, at least) but I can't for the life of me understand why a split in Int functions in the RNR between a dedicated Int Spec and an OPINTEL function as part of the Comms spec is a good idea.

I want to ensure that I apply for the area that best suits me - all help/ explanations greatly received (by PM if necessary)
 

Karma

War Hero
smoothbore said:
...Operational Int function as part of the Comms Spec.

Well it's part of C4ISTAR; Command, Control, Communications, Computers Intelligence, Surveillance, Target Acquisition and Recce. That fits with the broader direction taken elsewhere.

Can someone please explain the reasoning for this...

Unlikely, with any degree of authority.
 
Your best bet would be to speak to the DIS types and see if you skillset matches what they're looking for.

I'll try and see if I have any contact details for them but I am not sure I am cleared to know who they are ;)
 

smoothbore

Lantern Swinger
I used to work very closely with the DIS and had an OPINTEL role, I just cannot see any justification for the split in reponsibilities between an Int spec and a Comms (Opintel) spec. The competencies required are similar and in bothe the Int Corps and the RAF Int Branch peopel can move between the roles easily. I would have thought that it would have been logical to have one Int Spec.

C4ISTAR is a generic description of a nest of related disciplines but it is not a single function or a specialisation in its own right.
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
I may well be proven wrong but I think that the OpIntel(Comms) role allows for the CT types - whereas the Intel Spec (& humint) allows for the analyst/operators.
 

Chaz

MIA
wave_dodger said:
I may well be proven wrong but I think that the OpIntel(Comms) role allows for the CT types - whereas the Intel Spec (& humint) allows for the analyst/operators.

As a CT I've worked in both fields, Opintel and Analyst/Operator side of life.
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
Ok should have been clearer - the RNR DIS model analyst/humint types tend to be Officers, whereas I was led to believe the Comms(op int) was a vehicle to get JR/SR experience back in.
 

Chaz

MIA
I'm full time so I can't really comment on that one I'm afraid. Having said that I'm a CPO and as I said at the DIS, there are obviously Officers here too. How the RNR work it though, I don't know
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
The DIS branch provide very specific roles for a small number of branches. Your ORT is limited to the OWOB - you are not, despite allusions to the contrary from some branch members I've met, James Bond!

The branch is struggling for reasons probably best not discussed here. However there are changes afoot in structures, so your best bet is to get in and get briefed properly.
 
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