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Information Systems Officer work within the Royal Marines?

tr313

Badgeman
Hello,

whose of you that know me from this site will know im going back to college to redo my GCSEs so can hopfully become a Engineer (Information Systems) Officer, well ive been looking on the RN web site and come across this:

"If you choose to work with the Royal Marines, you will be given the opportunity to complete the demanding yet prestigious All-Arms Commando Course and proudly wear a green beret on completion"

i was just woundering what is it the Marines need E(IS) officers for? how hard is it to get onto the All-Ars Commando Course?

thanks again
 

dunkers

War Hero
Re: Information Systems Officer work within the Royal Marine

I'm afraid you need an accredited degree in computer science (or similar) to become an E(IS) officer - not just GCSEs.

Sorry to state the bloody obvious but the RM need E(IS) officers for... their information systems.
 

icantfly

Lantern Swinger
Re: Information Systems Officer work within the Royal Marine

dunkers said:
Sorry to state the bloody obvious but the RM need E(IS) officers for... their information systems.

:thumright: :thumright: :thumright: :thumright:
 

dunkers

War Hero
Re: Information Systems Officer work within the Royal Marine

tr313 said:
I have a BEng(Hons) in Computer Networking

Is it accredited? You'll need a bit of paper from the university saying so, and by what body (eg the British Computer Society) when you apply.
 

tr313

Badgeman
Re: Information Systems Officer work within the Royal Marine

dunkers said:
tr313 said:
I have a BEng(Hons) in Computer Networking

Is it accredited? You'll need a bit of paper from the university saying so, and by what body (eg the British Computer Society) when you apply.

yeah its accredited, i have already spoken with the AFCO about it, the only thing letting my down is my grades from school, so im redoing them,
 

Karma

War Hero
Re: Information Systems Officer work within the Royal Marine

tr313 said:
i was just woundering what is it the Marines need E(IS) officers for? how hard is it to get onto the All-Ars Commando Course?

Brigade use a number of strategic systems. The corps have their own communicators, both regular support to the Commandos and now an SF Communicator specialisation as well, and correspondingly have Signals Officers to deal with it at up to Lt Col level. However they're skillset is different from that of an E(IS), still very technically adept though.

Well worth doing though.
 

Random

Lantern Swinger
Re: Information Systems Officer work within the Royal Marine

dunkers said:
tr313 said:
I have a BEng(Hons) in Computer Networking

Is it accredited? You'll need a bit of paper from the university saying so, and by what body (eg the British Computer Society) when you apply.

Not to sound funny Dunkers but isn't it up to the BCS to provide the statement that they accredit your qualification? The bit of paper you get from your Uni says you have a degree in so and so subject. The professional institutions then have to admit whether they believe it was worth the ink that was used to print it.

As for proving it, when applying for E(IS) I was asked for my certificates of education (GCSE, A-Level & Degree), however at no point did they ask whether it was accredited.

Perhaps Ninja can tell us whether the RN requires your degree to be accredited? and how they check that? :D

To declare an interest; I am a branch younger (that's young at heart or under 35 years young) member's secretary for one of the Engineering institutions and was wondering how much attention the RN really pays to the importance of professional registration.
 

dunjamon

Lantern Swinger
As someone in the application stages for E(IS) at the moment I was asked to provide my degree, A-Level and GCSE certificates. As my course was dual-honours I had to provide a transcript of modules to ensure that they were applicable to the role, there was no mention of accreditation. As long as you have a decent classification you'll be fine. My local OCLO has been really helpful and is willing to honestly answer any questions I've asked (well apart from me asking does the Navy offer the chance to play cricket at shore establishments - maybe someone here could help:)). Just pop into the AFCO and they'll answer any questions you may have.
 

dunkers

War Hero
Re: Information Systems Officer work within the Royal Marine

Random said:
Not to sound funny Dunkers but isn't it up to the BCS to provide the statement that they accredit your qualification?

My mistake - yes it may well be.

Perhaps Ninja can tell us whether the RN requires your degree to be accredited? and how they check that? :D

I spoke to a careers officer last week and he said it does, and that he will require to see written proof of accreditation. (I am intending to apply for E(IS) when I graduate.)
 

dunjamon

Lantern Swinger
They were fine with my degree. Think that might be with my local AFCO being about 5 mins from the uni. I was always under the impression that BCS is an independent accreditation much like ACM or IET. Your degree should be accredited though.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Re: Information Systems Officer work within the Royal Marine

Random said:
Perhaps Ninja can tell us whether the RN requires your degree to be accredited? and how they check that?

Ooh heck, technical stuff!

To be honest, I'm not a whizz on this particular subject, even though a good friend of mine joined in this trade about 3 years ago! He thoroughly recommends it, by the way. It's one of the few technical Officer trades that still involves "hands on".

What I hate doing is fobbing people off, but at the same time it would be wrong of me to give a judgemental definitive answer which may be incorrect.

The accreditation is indeed required & your ACLO is the guy/girl to advise what is absolutely acceptable. Sorry to side-step this one.

I still have a problem coming to terms with the fact an individual with a vocational degree in their chosen trade still needs the 5 GCSE's & 140 UCAS points at A2 in addition to the degree.
 

dunjamon

Lantern Swinger
Thanks for that, I'm guessing that my local OCLO has seen so many degrees from my old uni that he no longer has to check them. I must say after reading up on here and speaking to the OCLO. I'm looking forward to joining (if all goes well).
 

Random

Lantern Swinger
Re: Information Systems Officer work within the Royal Marine

Dunkers, if you have a browse of the RN Careers site you will notice E(IS) describes its required qualifications as:

"A recognised first degree in a computing-based subject, 140 UCAS points and 5 GCSEs (A*-C)/ 5 Scottish Standard grades (1-3)/ equivalent, including English and maths."

You will note there is no mention of accreditation. However for Marine and Weapons Engineering there is. This (and I am basing this on hearsay gained from conversations with various Engineering Officers) may be because E(IS) as a branch originated out of the E(TM) branch, which also has no accreditation requirement.

However since E(IS) is now considered a sub set of the Weapons Engineering Officer branch, I would guess this is either a) a grey area that no one has really thought about or b) the RN website, as occasionally happens, is having a bit of reality lag.

I would be grateful if anyone who actually knows the details on this could post :D

Edit: Just read Ninja's post; thanks for confirming that accreditation is needed, I don't suppose in your many office files it says which institutions are acceptable?
 

dunkers

War Hero
Re: Information Systems Officer work within the Royal Marine

Random - I asked the same question of an OCLO last week and he wasn't sure of exactly which institutions would be acceptable; just that it had to be appropriate. I think it is safe to say BCS is one such acceptable body.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Re: Information Systems Officer work within the Royal Marine

Random said:
I don't suppose in your many office files it says which institutions are acceptable?

It may well do, but on leave this week. (Apologies!).

Try emailing (via RN website) your query, at least you'll have it in writing & it avoids any ambiguity.
 
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