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Ineos negotiations

FAAFLYNAVY

Lantern Swinger
With the total climbdown of the Unite union at Grangemouth is this the way forward for all the large employers in the UK when dealing with unions? are the unions now a busted flush?
 

cjg375

Lantern Swinger
I think this is the new reality of working for companies owned by massive multinationals. The workers don't have power anymore cos the companies can and will just shut the place down if they don't get their way.


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Handler

War Hero
FFS who runs and controls the business, no the workers do not control the companies . Get back in line and behave.
 

dabber11

Midshipman
Unite have proved themselves to be totally out of touch with the modern world. The workers trusted them to try and save jobs and all the union bods could think of is the bad old days. Not to worry though they still have the big houses and gold plated pension. This is the 21st century not the UK in the mid 70s.
 

Ageing_Gracefully

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Don't gloat too much. Unions do a lot of good work for their members. Where it goes wrong is where you get union leaders who think that they are in charge and both their members and management should dance to their tune. As seen at Ineos, these people are dangerous and need to be cut out. They are usually found where the local union members don't have a secret vote so the workforce can be manipulated and intimidated. Also, in my short time as a union member, all important meetings were held at times and places inconvenient to the majority of members so matters were going through having been voted on by the 'coterie' of insiders.
 

janner

MIA
Book Reviewer
Don't gloat too much. Unions do a lot of good work for their members. Where it goes wrong is where you get union leaders who think that they are in charge and both their members and management should dance to their tune. As seen at Ineos, these people are dangerous and need to be cut out. They are usually found where the local union members don't have a secret vote so the workforce can be manipulated and intimidated. Also, in my short time as a union member, all important meetings were held at times and places inconvenient to the majority of members so matters were going through having been voted on by the 'coterie' of insiders.

Sadly the lessons doled out by Scargill still haven't been learnt
 

Waspie

War Hero
Unions have there own agenda's and if they can use any work related matter as a spring board to voice there own opinions they will.

The days of Scargill are over and they would dearly love to have them back but successive governments have neutered them.

RIP Unions. Lie down and die gracefully.
 

slim

War Hero
Both Unison and Unite are well past their sell by dates.
When a company is loosing money is not the time to go in with all guns blazing. I do hope that the unions have learned a lesson from this episode but I doubt it.
Time for the government to get just as tough with civil servants and teachers, the taxpayer should not have to fund pensions for others when most workers have had to accept changes in conditions.
 
listened to yer man Salmond being interviewed on the wireless yesterday. I was so bloody annoyed! he impressed me. The standard BBC confrontational interviewer tried to get him to apportion blame and use inflamatory words like "climb-down". He didn't and kept it very businesslike and grown-up.

It looks like this public arm wrestling contest will have long term repurcussions, though; Colossal bet on Grangemouth goes sour for Ineos boss - Telegraph

Colossal bet on Grangemouth goes sour for Ineos boss. Jim Ratcliffe plans to focus future investment away from the UK
 
listened to yer man Salmond being interviewed on the wireless yesterday. I was so bloody annoyed! he impressed me. The standard BBC confrontational interviewer tried to get him to apportion blame and use inflamatory words like "climb-down". He didn't and kept it very businesslike and grown-up...

I'm sure a wily politician like Mr Salmond knows better than to offend unions and/or employers.
 

finknottle

Banned
FFS who runs and controls the business, no the workers do not control the companies . Get back in line and behave.

A well run successful business should involve the workforce representatives sitting round the table with management, we could learn much from the Germans where that is concerned.
 
Don't gloat too much. Unions do a lot of good work for their members. Where it goes wrong is where you get union leaders who think that they are in charge and both their members and management should dance to their tune. As seen at Ineos, these people are dangerous and need to be cut out. They are usually found where the local union members don't have a secret vote so the workforce can be manipulated and intimidated. Also, in my short time as a union member, all important meetings were held at times and places inconvenient to the majority of members so matters were going through having been voted on by the 'coterie' of insiders.
It was ever thus.
 
Both Unison and Unite are well past their sell by dates.
When a company is loosing money is not the time to go in with all guns blazing. I do hope that the unions have learned a lesson from this episode but I doubt it.
Time for the government to get just as tough with civil servants and teachers, the taxpayer should not have to fund pensions for others when most workers have had to accept changes in conditions.

Should that go for Naval pensions as well?
 
A well run successful business should involve the workforce representatives sitting round the table with management, we could learn much from the Germans where that is concerned.

I think it's more a matter of British owners/management learning from the Germans.
 
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