Indian Nations - Not Happy Campers

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  1. The Lakota Sioux just told the USA that the Treaties which they had been forced to sign were worthless pieces of paper and that they are seceding from the USA. The Dakota and Nakota are expected to follow them.


    "We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,'' long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means said.
    A delegation of Lakota leaders has delivered a message to the State Department, and said they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the U.S., some of them more than 150 years old.
    The group also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and would continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months.
    Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.
    The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free - provided residents renounce their U.S. citizenship, Mr Means said.

    The Lakota

    The Lakota [lakxo'ta] came from the western Dakota of Minnesota who, after the adoption of the horse, ('power/mystery dog'), became part of the Great Plains Culture with their Minnesota Algonkin-speaking allies, the Tsitsistas (Cheyenne), living in the northern Great Plains, which centered on the buffalo hunt with the horse.

    There were 20,000 Lakota in the mid-18th century. The number has now increased to about 70,000, 20,480 of whom still speak their ancestral language.

    Because the Black Hills are sacred to the Lakota (who refer to them as the Paha Sapa, they objected to mining in the area, which has been attempted since the 19th century.

    In 1868, the US government signed a treaty with them exempting the Black Hills from all white settlement forever. Four years later, gold was discovered there, and an influx of prospectors descended upon the area, abetted by army commanders like General George Armstrong Custer.

    The latter tried to administer a lesson of noninterference with white policies. Instead, the Lakota with their allies, the Arapaho and the Cheyenne, defeated the 7th U.S. Cavalry in 1876 at the Battle at the Greasy Grass/Battle of the Little Bighorn, known also as Custer's Last Stand, since he and all 300 of his troopers perished there. But like the Zulu triumph over the British in Africa three years later, it was a pyrrhic victory.

    The Lakota were defeated slowly by the wholesale slaughter of the buffalo by the U.S. Army and military police actions herding all Indians onto reservations and enforcing government food distribution policies to 'friendlies' only, culminating, fourteen years later, in the killing of Sitting Bull (December 15, 1890) at Standing Rock and the Massacre of Wounded Knee (December 29, 1890) at Pine Ridge.

    In Nebraska on September 3, 1855, 700 soldiers under American General William S. Harney avenged the Grattan Massacre by attacking a Sioux village killing 100 men, women, and children. Seven years later on November 5, 1862 also in Minnesota, 303 Santee Sioux were found guilty of rape and murder of white settlers and were sentenced to hang. Of those 38 were hanged, the rest where pardoned by President Lincoln.

    The Dakota

    The original Dakota people migrated north and westward from the south and east into Ohio then to Minnesota. The Dakota were a woodland people who thrived on hunting, fishing and subsistence farming. Migrations of Anishinaabe/Chippewa people from the east in the 17th and 18th centuries, with rifles supplied by the French and English, pushed the Dakota further into Minnesota and west and southward, giving the name "Dakota Territory" to the northern expanse west of the Mississippi and up to its headwaters.

    The western Dakota obtained horses, probably in the 17th century, and moved onto the plains, becoming the Lakota, subsisting on the buffalo herds and corn-trade with their linguistic cousins, the Mandan and Hidatsa along the Missouri. In the 19th century, as the railroads hired hunters to exterminate the buffalo herds, the Indians' primary food supply, in order to force all tribes into sedentary habitations, the Dakota and Lakota were forced to accept white-defined reservations in exchange for the rest of their lands, and domestic cattle and corn in exchange for buffalo, becoming dependent upon annual federal payments guaranteed by treaty.

    In 1862, after a failed crop the year before and a winter starvation, the federal payment was late to arrive. The local traders would not issue any more credit to the Dakota and the local federal agent told the Dakota that they were free to eat grass. As a result on August 17, 1862, the Sioux Uprising began when a few Dakota men attacked a white farmer, igniting further attacks on white settlements along the Minnesota River. The US Army put the revolt down, then later tried and condemned 303 Dakota for war crimes. President Abraham Lincoln remanded the death sentence of 285 of the warriors, signing off on the execution of 38 Dakota men by hanging on December 29, 1862 in Mankato, Minnesota, the largest mass execution in US history.

    Tax Haven anyone???? :thumright:

  2. I wonder how the US Government would align this to its support for an independent Kosova?
  3. Errrrrm??? By trying some more cowboy diplomacy :thanks:

  4. At school, I studied a bit of American history which focused on the way the Native American Indians were treated, including the 'Trail of Tears'.
    What I learned then really made me dislike America, but over the following years I tried to rationalise that the Yanks then were not the same as the yanks 140 odd years later. But the American attitude to 'foreigners' over recent years leads me to believe that they haven't changed and that my first instincts were correct.
  5. They are still being shafted by the Americans :thumright: There are billions of dollars missing from Indian trust funds that the Indians are not allowed to administer themselves. This report is from 2004 and the Indians still have not received a proper accounting about where the money is.

    "A court official investigating the federal government's handling of billions of dollars of Indian trust funds has quit the case amid renewed allegations of widespread fraud.

    Special master Alan Balaran detailed his charges in a three-page letter made public yesterday. He said the Bush administration stepped up its efforts to disqualify him after he uncovered evidence that the Interior Department "was putting the interests of private energy companies ahead of the interests of individual Indian beneficiaries."

    Balaran cited his investigation into the undervaluation of land owned by members of the Navajo Nation, the largest tribe in the country. In an August 2003 report, he found that that the Bureau of Indian Affairs allowed oil and gas companies to use Navajo land for far less than market value. In some instances, non-Indians were paid up to 20 times more by the same companies.

    "This report was just the beginning," Balaran told U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth. "

  6. "Only when the last tree has died, and the last river has been poisoned, and the last fish has been caught, will we realize that we cannot eat money."


  7. Not making a point but asking a question; how does this measure against the Canadian treatment of Indians?
  8. Probably the same has the treatment dished out to the lower classes in the UK from the so called upper classes. Christmas time what a grand old time was had up at the big hall. Except for the staff especially in the kitchen a slog from Christmas Eve onwards.
  9. Our Government is just as bad, but here it's both sides of the coin, the Natives are not without blame when it comes to money's the black hole of never ending funding...the tribes are handed the money and are allowed to administer it...what happens (a minority, but it tarnishes them all) the band Chief, selects his councils, they in turn decide who is a "reserve" Indian and who isn't, those that are not qualified for handouts are on the inside looking out.

    Then they try to provide housing to the "Reserve" Indians by contracting out all the work to brothers, cousins, brother in-laws, gramps and anyone else who can hold a them redicolous amounts of money and they still cry "Shortage of Housing".

    My late Uncle Pinky who lived around Swartz Creek (Grand Blanc area) Michigan and worked for GM (in Flint) for 35yrs was about as American as you can get..hated the RCMP (they don't recognise borders and they used to hunt in Ontario/Manitoba, by crossing at Sault St Marie, but then they would get chased and he hated the majority of people in Detroit and Flint those of the darker skin variety, he lived off reservation, even though his old man was the Chief, he didn't want that life and wanted to work for a living...and he did, so to him I have a lot of respect, to the others that come to us with their hands out always begging for more funds (my taxes, for which they pay none), and yet year after year you read about the horrible conditions they live in, except for those that run the various casinos across both countries, hmmm how much of those profits are being funneled back to their bretheren on those reserves...or the smuggling that goes on near Lake Erie and respect..

    Sorry, our forefathers may have been ruthless bastards, but if you read the wars of 1812, you will find that the Natives could be just as bad, depending on whose side they happened to be the time..

    If they were fighting for the British, they were good Indians, if they were fighting for the French they were bad Indians, or when they fought for the's a rich history, but you have to read it with both eyes open..

    Slowly some of the tribes in Canada are winning their land claims, and I hope they do good out of it, but what they need to do, is to stop living in the past and try to embrace their future, it is a shame that their culture will wither and die, the same with the Francophones, it's pointless, they will be assimilated eventually. :hockey:
  11. That is the one legacy of our Government which will never be erased, early institutionalisation of many of Canada's Natives, thanks to the Church...won't go there... :threaten:

    We would still kick their ass, besides we had all the Rum and we were making the Kennedy's rich, and the Eastern States wouldn't have put up with it... :thumright:
  12. Nice neighbours you have AfterSSE! But I always thought the war of 1812 was about the RN 'stop and search' of US vessels rather than any US designs on Canada at the time?
  14. I thought that this was pretty funny:-

    Invading Canada is an old American tradition. Invading Canada successfully is not.

    During the American Revolution, Benedict Arnold -- then in his pre-traitor days -- led an invasion of Canada from Maine. It failed.

    During the War of 1812, American troops invaded Canada several times. They were driven back.

    In 1839, Americans from Maine confronted Canadians in a border dispute known as the Aroostook War.

    "There were never any shots fired," said Etzinger, the Canadian Embassy spokesman, "but I think an American cow was injured -- and a Canadian pig."

    In 1866, about 800 Irish Americans in the Fenian Brotherhood decided to strike a blow for Irish independence by invading Canada. They crossed the Niagara River into Ontario, where they defeated a Canadian militia. But when British troops approached, the Fenians fled back to the United States, where many were arrested.

    After that, Americans stopped invading Canada and took up other hobbies, such as invading Mexico, Panama, Haiti, Nicaragua, Grenada, Afghanistan and, of course, Iraq.

    But the dream of invading Canada lives on in the American psyche, occasionally manifesting itself in bizarre ways. Movies, for instance.

    In the 1995 movie "Canadian Bacon," the U.S. president, played by Alan Alda, decides to jump-start the economy by picking a fight with Canada. His battle cry: "Surrender pronto or we'll level Toronto."

    In the 1999 movie "South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut," Americans, angered that their kids have been corrupted by a pair of foulmouthed, flatulent Canadian comedians, go to war. Canada responds by sending its air force to bomb the Hollywood home of the Baldwin brothers -- a far more popular defensive strategy than anything Buster Brown devised. Moviegoers left theaters humming the film's theme:

    Blame Canada! Blame Canada!

    With all their hockey hullabaloo

    And that bitch Anne Murray too!

    Blame Canada! Shame on Canada!

    But it's not just movies. The urge to invade Canada comes in myriad forms.

    In 2002, the conservative magazine National Review published an essay called "Bomb Canada: The Case for War." The author, Jonah Goldberg, suggested that the United States "launch a quick raid into Canada" and blow something up -- "perhaps an empty hockey stadium." That would cause Canada to stop wasting its money on universal health insurance and instead fund a military worthy of the name, so that "Canada's neurotic anti-Americanism would be transformed into manly resolve."

    And let's not forget the Web site InvadeCanada.US, which lists many compelling reasons for doing do: "let's make Alaska actually connected to the U.S. again!" and "they're just a little too proud" and "the surrender will come quickly, they're French after all."

    The site also sells T-shirts, buttons, teddy bears and thong underwear, all of them decorated with the classic picture of Uncle Sam atop the slogan "I WANT YOU to Invade Canada."


    This I didn't find so funny:-

    In 1934, War Plan Red was amended
    to authorize the immediate first use of poison gas against
    Canadians and to use strategic bombing to destroy Halifax
    if it could not be captured.

  15. Hush long as Dubya is looking East, he will miss this...Lol Oil and Water is the US of A's biggest concerns and we have plenty of both...probably a bad thing eh!... :hockey:
  16. I was aware of the plight of the Indian Nations, and the result, but not the details. The rest - had entirely passed me by until now.
    Thanks for a brilliant post Bergen, and for some very constructive and informative posts from others. Fascinating reading.
    Keep it going lads - you're educating at least one silly old b****r.

  17. Seaweed

    Seaweed War Hero Book Reviewer

    Halifax? When I was there as part of STANAVFORLANT for the Canadian Bicentennial the joke was 'the US dropped an atom bomb on Halifax and did $18 worth of damage'. Of course the place had been blown to bits by an ammunition ship exploding in 1918 ..

    US knowledge of Canada perhaps epitomised by a barber in San Diego in 1968 - snip, snip, chat, chat, clearly works out that I'm some sort of foreigner. Wheels go clunking round inside his head and works out that I'm probably not Mexican. 'Gee, are you from Canada?'

    Not sure why either US or Canada should be so keen to keep the Indians in a dependency culture. Perhaps the level of graft is now such that those who shy out the taxpayers' money can't afford to stop. Also of course there would be a cloud of PC protest by left-wing liberal nincompoops if the gravy train derailed. Personally I think the best thing for the Indians as individuals is to get a grip and get jobs and join in the 21st century.
  18. I shall not be there,I shall rise and pass.
    Bury my heart at Wounded Knee
    Stephen Vincent Bene't

    Do you think we will ever see an Native American as President of the USA?
  19. sgtpepperband

    sgtpepperband War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

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