Independent: "Discovery Of U-Boat Wrecks Rewrites History"

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Re: Independent: "Discovery Of U-Boat Wrecks Rewrites Histor

Soleil - Thank you for drawing attention to this article.

Scouse - Thank you for your link which I had read some time ago. It's surprising that Dr Niestlé's report (written 14 February 2004 and amended 17 October 2006 and 11 May 2007) has only just been picked up by our national press.
 
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Re: Independent: "Discovery Of U-Boat Wrecks Rewrites Histor

Naval_Gazer said:
Soleil - Thank you for drawing attention to this article.

Scouse - Thank you for your link which I had read some time ago. It's surprising that Dr Niestlé's report (written 14 February 2004 and amended 17 October 2006 and 11 May 2007) has only just been picked up by our national press.
Try to get a copy of 'Iron Coffins' by Herbert Werner. ISBN 0 304 35330 2. Very good account of the Uboat war from the other side.
 
#5
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SARKING said:
Naval_Gazer said:
Soleil - Thank you for drawing attention to this article.

Scouse - Thank you for your link which I had read some time ago. It's surprising that Dr Niestlé's report (written 14 February 2004 and amended 17 October 2006 and 11 May 2007) has only just been picked up by our national press.
Try to get a copy of 'Iron Coffins' by Herbert Werner. ISBN 0 304 35330 2. Very good account of the Uboat war from the other side.
Read it, and i must say it is the best book i have ever read about UBoats, the pen, he writes in, you feel like you are in the Sub when he crash dives and is depthcharged, also another quiet good one is No Ordinary War the story of U604 by Christian Prag isbn 978 1 84832 022 2
 
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Re: Independent: "Discovery Of U-Boat Wrecks Rewrites Histor

scouse said:
SARKING said:
Naval_Gazer said:
Soleil - Thank you for drawing attention to this article.

Scouse - Thank you for your link which I had read some time ago. It's surprising that Dr Niestlé's report (written 14 February 2004 and amended 17 October 2006 and 11 May 2007) has only just been picked up by our national press.
Try to get a copy of 'Iron Coffins' by Herbert Werner. ISBN 0 304 35330 2. Very good account of the Uboat war from the other side.
Read it, and i must say it is the best book i have ever read about UBoats, the pen, he writes in, you feel like you are in the Sub when he crash dives and is depthcharged, also another quiet good one is No Ordinary War the story of U604 by Christian Prag isbn 978 1 84832 022 2
Have you read 'Hirschfeld The secret diary of a U Boat'?
 
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Re: Independent: "Discovery Of U-Boat Wrecks Rewrites Histor

SARKING said:
scouse said:
SARKING said:
Naval_Gazer said:
Soleil - Thank you for drawing attention to this article.

Scouse - Thank you for your link which I had read some time ago. It's surprising that Dr Niestlé's report (written 14 February 2004 and amended 17 October 2006 and 11 May 2007) has only just been picked up by our national press.
Try to get a copy of 'Iron Coffins' by Herbert Werner. ISBN 0 304 35330 2. Very good account of the Uboat war from the other side.
Read it, and i must say it is the best book i have ever read about UBoats, the pen, he writes in, you feel like you are in the Sub when he crash dives and is depthcharged, also another quiet good one is No Ordinary War the story of U604 by Christian Prag isbn 978 1 84832 022 2
Have you read 'Hirschfeld The secret diary of a U Boat'?
Nope.... but will check it out :wink:
 
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Re: Independent: "Discovery Of U-Boat Wrecks Rewrites Histor

The mined U-boats were lost as follows:

U-325 in minefield HW A1
U-1021 in minefield HW A3
U-400 in minefield HY A1

Naval Staff History - British Mining Operations 1939-1945 Vol I published 1973 said:
Deep minefields off the Cornish coast. Operations "HW" and "HY"

In pursuance of their stated policy and to meet the expected concentration of U-boats in the SW Approaches, the Admiralty ordered, by signal on 25th November, that the APOLLO should lay three lines of deep mines off Trevose Head, before cleaning boilers and making good defects at Plymouth. The operation - "HW" - was to be conducted by C in C, Plymouth, and it was forecast that the PLOVER would be available, at the beginning of December, to continue these fields along the swept channel between Trevose Head and Hartland Point - Operation "HY".

Operation "HW A1". 29th November 1944
Operating unescorted from Milford Haven as before, between 0031 and 0056 on 29th November the APOLLO laid 156 Mk XVII (39)/XVII units, at a depth of 70 feet, along a line extending for five miles in a direction 179 deg from position 50 deg 34.5' N, 05 deg 23.0'W.

........................

Operation "HW A3". 3rd December 1944
The APOLLO reached the initial laying position at 0031 and between that time and 0056 laid 156 Mk XVII (39)XVII units, at a depth of 70 feet, along a line extending for five miles in a direction 182 1/2 deg from position 50 deg 36.7'N, 05 deg 11.1 W. One possible failure was observed.

On completion, the APOLLO proceeded to Plymouth as previously arranged, having carried out fourteen operations since 14th October.

Operation "HY" serials A1-A8. 12th December 1944 to 3rd January 1945
The PLOVER was ready for service as forecast and her programme of lays in the swept channel between Trevose Head and Hartland Point was passed by signal to C in C, Plymouth on 6th December: eight lays - serials A1 to A8 - were involved consisting of 100 mines each. The converted yacht CONQUEROR acted as escort to PLOVER on each of the night operations carried out from Milford Haven, details of which are recorded below.

Serial A1. 12th December 1944
100 Mk XVII (39)/XVII units were laid, at a depth of 70 feet below chart datum along a line extending for 3.3 miles in a direction 171 deg from position 50 deg 42'30"N, 05 deg 05'24"W. Two surface failures were reported...
The British laid a total of 10,043 mines in 'deep trap' minefields in the Western Approaches in 1944/5. The Mk XVII was a general purpose moored mine containing a charge weight of 320 lbs or 500 lbs of explosive. It was suitable for laying in depths down to 500 fathoms on a Mk XVII sinker and could be fitted with switch horns for use as a contact mine or with a variety of acoustic sensors for use as an influence mine. The number '39' refers to the fitting of hydrostatic safety switches, eliminating the necessity for skimming sweeps to check there were no 'active' mines shallow enough to hazard surface ships.
 
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This is a good site for U-boat info. The interrogation reports of captured u-boat men make interesting reading as do some of the u-boat signals. Check out the Sept 1939 signals to boats being placed off the UK coast a couple of days before we declared war.

http://www.uboatarchive.net/
 
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Re: Independent: "Discovery Of U-Boat Wrecks Rewrites Histor

scouse said:
SARKING said:
scouse said:
SARKING said:
Naval_Gazer said:
Soleil - Thank you for drawing attention to this article.

Scouse - Thank you for your link which I had read some time ago. It's surprising that Dr Niestlé's report (written 14 February 2004 and amended 17 October 2006 and 11 May 2007) has only just been picked up by our national press.
Try to get a copy of 'Iron Coffins' by Herbert Werner. ISBN 0 304 35330 2. Very good account of the Uboat war from the other side.
Read it, and i must say it is the best book i have ever read about UBoats, the pen, he writes in, you feel like you are in the Sub when he crash dives and is depthcharged, also another quiet good one is No Ordinary War the story of U604 by Christian Prag isbn 978 1 84832 022 2
Have you read 'Hirschfeld The secret diary of a U Boat'?
Nope.... but will check it out :wink:
WQell worth the effort it's an excellent book
 
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Re: Independent: "Discovery Of U-Boat Wrecks Rewrites Histor

SARKING said:
Naval_Gazer said:
Soleil - Thank you for drawing attention to this article.

Scouse - Thank you for your link which I had read some time ago. It's surprising that Dr Niestlé's report (written 14 February 2004 and amended 17 October 2006 and 11 May 2007) has only just been picked up by our national press.
Try to get a copy of 'Iron Coffins' by Herbert Werner. ISBN 0 304 35330 2. Very good account of the Uboat war from the other side.
Thanks for the tip Sarking. Werners book does make interesting reading. I found it very strange that he didnt attend U-Boot school until after 2 operational trips. The Germans are usually very thorough in their training, before they let people loose, especially of officers.
 

Asst_Ed

Lantern Swinger
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Re: Independent: "Discovery Of U-Boat Wrecks Rewrites Histor

If anyone ever has the chance, the U-boot Archiv in Cuxhaven is well worth visiting - the curator Horst Bredow is an absolute gem of information; he's well into his 80s now, yet was still answering hundreds of queries every month.

Iron Coffins is by far and away the best U-boat memoir in English; it's a shame not more German accounts have been translated (Das Boot, though a good read, isn't necessarily accurate...). Karl-Friedrich Merten's memoirs, Nach Kompass, are outstanding. Sadly, nur in Deutsch. :(
 

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