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  1. Im really bored of the whole desk job thing and am applying to join the Navy as an officer. The thing that stands out the most for me is to join the fleet air arm - everything just seems so much more exciting. But surely this has to be VERY popular? I reckon the competition to become a pilot has to be hard, and therefore will it be a case of the Navy only taking on the best of the best??

    I dont want to go all the way through it to be turned down because theres too many people applied for it and they are all better than me!
  2. The navy are currently very short of helicopter pilots and observers believe it or not.
    The aircrew selection weekend is where a lot of candidates fall as it tests things like spatial awareness and other skills required by aircrew, which some people don't have.
  3. If i fail that can I go back and apply as a Warfare Officer, for example?
  4. silverfox

    silverfox War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    Go for it. There is a shortage of pilots (having just seen a presentation by the officer Manpower manager..) and so if you pass AIB and the initial aptitude then you stand a very good chance of being a pilot ( and following the 'no stick, no vote' school of cockpit management - who wants to be an observer...)

    It was only a few months ago that people wanting to be Warfare officers were told that they had not achieved a high enough pass and would they consider Aircrew instead....

    And by the way - I'm not aircrew
  5. You can indeed, a lot of people do this in fact.
  6. silverfox

    silverfox War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    If you fail Grading - which is in the second 7 week phase at Dratmouth, you may, and I say may, get a chance to transfer - but my past experience (2 years on the staff at BRNC 03-05) would tell you that its an outside chance and not to bet a career on it.
  7. What is the time difference between each AIB?? eg if i get rejected as Officer Pilot and want to re-apply, how long will I have to wait? (Im eager to get out of this desk job and do something with my life)
  8. silverfox

    silverfox War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    It can be quite quick. We had one chap who failed grading and was turned down for a transfer. He was sent home to await the paperwork to discharge him... in the meantime he whipped round to an AFCO, re did his AIB and turned up on the entry list for the next intake.... we thought his name was familiar!! We thought that was brill cos it was so frustrating when we had failed aircrew who had been partially trained and wanted to transfer but were not allowed to by the HQ desk sucking blotter jotters..
  9. Thats sounds good then. Another reason im in a hurry is because ive been thinking about a career in the navy for years now but only just grown the balls to get off my arse and do something about it. Dont want to lose them...
  10. silverfox

    silverfox War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    indeedy. Just remember what they say about flying pay though.... you don't get paid more, just quicker.... :)
  11. Do it - nothing ventured nothing gained and I can assure you that a career as an Officer in the Royal Navy (Aircrew or General Service) is the finest ever. I joined as a Boy Seaman in '57, transferred to the FAA in '58, was subsequently commissioned as an officer (FAA) and never looked back. It was brilliant!
  12. Which shows a bit of a lack of committment. If you want to pass selection, grading and flying training you need a bit of committment.
    And this bollocks about aircrew having less scores than Warfare Officers - aptitude is aptitude and you either have it as aircrew or you dont. The OASC tests will sort this out.
    We may be paid quicker but it sure feels good.
    Good Luck, oh and btw unlike silverfox I am aircrew.
  13. Interesting - so as a S/R about to go to AIB would you say I'd have a better chance of going deep specialist than mainstream warfare as I'm ineligble for Aircrew?
  14. silverfox

    silverfox War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    That depends which specialisation - the extra hurdle you will have to overcome if you go down the deep spec route is that of extraction - ie once you have passed AIB the numbers from your branch selected for BRNC, and dependinog on your branch, that can be very few - Comms for example is about 1 maybe 2 a year. If you get a storming pass then you go to the top of the queue whatever. Best advice woulf be to talk to your recorder and see what the target is for the year. During my time at BRNC I saw my RPO come through as deep spec - he had waited 4 years after passing AIB, I also saw my Chops R - who went the mainstream warfare - and he came straight from AIB almost - but he was much older than the direct entry so entering a slightly un level playing field. you pays your money you takes your choice. Just shout for any extra help - if I don't know I will find out from the College.
  15. silverfox

    silverfox War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    Sorry to disappoint you, but currently it is easier to pass AIB as aircrew than fish head. BUT, as you quite rightly point out, once through the doors it is all a matter of passing the aptitude.. and my point was it was a shame to see some good guys, who had cracked the majority of new entry, have to go because they couldn't pat their heads and rub their tummys at the same time...

    How is life at 10000'? I was always appreciative of the sunshine checks provided by the redrats..
  16. what do you mean the air crew pay is "faster"????
  17. it's not faster, but you get more, more of an allowance. for the cheesey tweed jackets, brown brogues and "no dad" jumpers
  18. silverfox

    silverfox War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    the old saying means that whilst a non aviator does not get the benefit of extra pay (ie Danger money), he and his aviator colleague will actually get the same in the end - mainly due to the fact that the non flyer will live longer....

    I have no issues with this, before the aviation community start - I have been involved in the planning and conduct of enough flying sorties to know how dangerous it is and how they earn every penny. ASnd they were always generous with the flight nutty
  19. Go for it. And remember that the RN has more frontline helicopters than the RAF anyway...
  20. Utter tosh!

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