If possible, I would like to get in touch with anyone who served as a Royal Navy Officer prior to 1993 please.

Jacobus

War Hero
Mids onboard larger ships tended to live in the “Mids grot”; essentially similar accom to the junior rates. Other than that I can’t remember any great difference other than being referred to as snotties ! Generally, but not always, behind one’s back.
QRRN’s are what gave one authority as captain of the aircraft. Back onboard, again I can’t remember it being a big issue. You gave “orders” as you put it to your own flight deck team, and when watchkeeping as a trainee OOW you’d give steering orders to the helmsman etc. However I can’t remember it being a big issue, and even senior officers tended to couch things politely so it appeared as a request rather than order people about. Unless someone was taking the proverbial. A small ship is a fairly tight knit community and it all comes down to manners. Respect and decency. Which, in the main, the RN was all about. And a great deal of humour which I still miss to this day. Our sun dodger colleagues can no doubt attest to the different atmosphere aboard boats.
The only time I had occasion to discipline anyone as a mid was when I was put in charge of a bunch of aircraft handlers and 3 green goddesses during the firemen’s strike. Aside from the heartbreak of seeing peoples’ homes damaged, and the loss occasionally of life and limb as we didn’t have adequate kit, probably the best 4 weeks of my RN career. And the individual was driving pissed and had to be got rid of.
I wouldn’t honestly make too much of this. The rank of midshipmen was slightly anachronistic and unique to the RN, pre dating Nelson etc. Very often the sons of acquaintances of the Captain and sent to sea at 12 for example. In much the same way as the sailing or Navigation master was very often non commissioned and addressed as ‘Mister’. I think Cook started off as a Master and was eventually commissioned. Mids led, and fought with distinction, at Trafalgar for example.
 
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janner

MIA
Book Reviewer
I can't remember ever seeing a Mid. on a Submarine, I've no doubt that they were about for a looksee. I would suggest that Mids. would be fool hardy to start giving orders on a Boat with no knowledge or experience.
 

Jacobus

War Hero
I can't remember ever seeing a Mid. on a Submarine, I've no doubt that they were about for a looksee. I would suggest that Mids. would be fool hardy to start giving orders on a Boat with no knowledge or experience.
Yes. Highly specialised bits of kit of course. Then again so are aircraft.
Pilots and observers officer training was generally shorter ( with respect to the Dartmouth and DTS components) than their General service colleagues. And presumably their silent service colleagues. Their on job training, either with the crabs or on a front line squadron, was correspondingly longer, and by that stage you’d been promoted to Sub anyway.
It was rare to make “ front line “ fully qualified as a mid, however it could be, and was done. From memory, and that’s a lessening commodity these days, I was a mid for around 6 months on my first frontline tour, before promotion.
Thread drift, and huge risk of boredom setting in !
 

Union Jack

Lantern Swinger
Hi @Union Jack,
Thank you for posting and telling me about what happened under the Changeover Scheme.

Sorry it took me so long to reply. I've been busy and distracted with other things, but that's no excuse.

I've got some follow up questions, but I was wondering if I could PM you? This thread has gotten rather long and I'd rather not add to it anymore.

Cheers,
Steven

PS: Forget about what I wrote about the Wikipedia article, I've realised I read it wrong anyway.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained! Glad to help if I can.

Jack
 

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