IDF killed civilians in Gaza under lax rules of engagement

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  1. The IDF seem to be acting just like the SS these days…

    Last update - 02:27 19/03/2009

    IDF killed civilians in Gaza under lax rules of engagement

    By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent

    During Operation Cast Lead, Israeli forces killed Palestinian civilians under permissive rules of engagement and intentionally destroyed their property, say soldiers who fought in the offensive.

    The soldiers are graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military preparatory course at Oranim Academic College in Tivon. Some of their statements made on Feb. 13 will appear Thursday and Friday in Haaretz. Dozens of graduates of the course who took part in the discussion fought in the Gaza operation.

    The speakers included combat pilots and infantry soldiers. Their testimony runs counter to the Israel Defense Forces' claims that Israeli troops observed a high level of moral behavior during the operation. The session's transcript was published this week in the newsletter for the course's graduates.

    The testimonies include a description by an infantry squad leader of an incident where an IDF sharpshooter mistakenly shot a Palestinian mother and her two children. "There was a house with a family inside .... We put them in a room. Later we left the house and another platoon entered it, and a few days after that there was an order to release the family. They had set up positions upstairs. There was a sniper position on the roof," the soldier said.

    "The platoon commander let the family go and told them to go to the right. One mother and her two children didn't understand and went to the left, but they forgot to tell the sharpshooter on the roof they had let them go and it was okay, and he should hold his fire and he ... he did what he was supposed to, like he was following his orders."

    According to the squad leader: "The sharpshooter saw a woman and children approaching him, closer than the lines he was told no one should pass. He shot them straight away. In any case, what happened is that in the end he killed them.

    "I don't think he felt too bad about it, because after all, as far as he was concerned, he did his job according to the orders he was given. And the atmosphere in general, from what I understood from most of my men who I talked to ... I don't know how to describe it .... The lives of Palestinians, let's say, is something very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. So as far as they are concerned they can justify it that way," he said.

    Another squad leader from the same brigade told of an incident where the company commander ordered that an elderly Palestinian woman be shot and killed; she was walking on a road about 100 meters from a house the company had commandeered.

    The squad leader said he argued with his commander over the permissive rules of engagement that allowed the clearing out of houses by shooting without warning the residents beforehand. After the orders were changed, the squad leader's soldiers complained that "we should kill everyone there [in the center of Gaza]. Everyone there is a terrorist."

    The squad leader said: "You do not get the impression from the officers that there is any logic to it, but they won't say anything. To write 'death to the Arabs' on the walls, to take family pictures and spit on them, just because you can. I think this is the main thing: To understand how much the IDF has fallen in the realm of ethics, really. It's what I'll remember the most."

    The head of the pe-military course, Danny Zamir, told Haaretz Wednesday that he did not know in advance what the soldiers would say at the gathering, and what they said "shocked us." He said that after hearing the soldiers, he told IDF Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi about his fears of a serious moral failure in the IDF.

    The chief of staff's bureau requested a copy of the transcript of the discussion, and Zamir provided it. This week Zamir met with the IDF's chief education officer, Brig. Gen. Eli Shermeister, to discuss the matter. Zamir said he believed the army would take the matter seriously. "They do not intend to avoid responsibility," he said.

    The IDF Spokesman's Office said: "As a result of the request of the head of the Rabin pre-military course, Mr. Danny Zamir, to the chief of staff's bureau, a meeting was held between Zamir and the chief education officer, Brig. Gen. Eli Shermeister. The chief education officer described to the head of the preparatory course the processes of the operational and ethical inquiries being conducted by the IDF and the chief education officer's staff at all levels."

    The chief education officer also described "the actions taken before during and after the operation to inculcate the soldiers and commanders with the moral aspects of the fighting."

    The spokesman said that "Brig. Gen. Shermeister also made it clear that the IDF is now conducting intensive and comprehensive inquiries, and that commanders are encouraging discussion of these matters. The IDF has no supporting or prior information about these events. The IDF will check their veracity and investigate as required. The head of the preparatory course was also asked to pass on to the IDF any information he has so we can deal with it and investigate it in depth."

    More soldiers' testimonies will be published in Haaretz over the coming days.
  2. Re: IDF killed civilians in Gaza under lax rules of engageme

    Totally unsurprising particularly since the Golani Brigade's Einsatzgruppen were involved.

    The USA seems to be waking up to the monster that it created; the ex-head of Mossad and Israeli national security adviser designate, Uzi Arad has been banned from entering the USA because of his recent spying activities in the USA.

    The US has also just confirmed that Israel possesses nuclear weapons [which must be the worst kept secret in the world]. Under US Law no financial aid can be given to Israel if it has developed nuclear weapons; so this might be Obama positioning the US to give the Red Sea pedestrians a rude awakening.

  3. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    Re: IDF killed civilians in Gaza under lax rules of engageme

    Eh? didn't the septics help them out there?
  4. Re: IDF killed civilians in Gaza under lax rules of engageme

    Nope, that was all Britain and Frances work…
  5. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    Every days a school day.....
  6. Re: IDF killed civilians in Gaza under lax rules of engageme

    Another one of our finest hours!!! :roll: :roll:
  7. Re: IDF killed civilians in Gaza under lax rules of engageme

    France built them the reactor at Dimona, we provided the technology and essential isotopes to get going, France designed their ballistic missiles for them.

    They did steal a load of enriched Uranium off the septics NUMEC operation though.
  8. OS

    Your report doesn't really surprise me, it is what they have always done, for years their intention has always been to try a scare/terrorise the civilian population into submission. What always does surpirise me is that they do genuinely seem to be surprised it doesn't work, and that they keep coming back for more.
  9. Re: IDF killed civilians in Gaza under lax rules of engageme

    I did not know that - have you any details ?

  10. Re: IDF killed civilians in Gaza under lax rules of engageme

    Here ya go…
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