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I need help sorting my late fathers 6 off 1939-45 medals & 2 off Mention in Dispatches Certificates.

I want to get them framed - Dad, who served in Subs throughout the war, has 6 medals including the 39 - 45 Star, Atlantic Star, Africa Star & Pacific Star.
He also was Mentioned in Dispatches twice.
When I was four years old I gave two medals away at nursery school - I was never forgiven for that as they were never recovered. I have since replaced them both
His Silver War Medal has an Oak Leaf Clasp on the ribbon.
I thought one of the badges I gave away also had something on the ribbon.
I was told that it could not be another Fig Leaf because two were never issued to one person.
Someone else said that it may have been a 'Burma' clasp?
Does anyone here know what would have been on the second medal ribbon?
The first MID was in June 1943 when he was on HMSubmarine Unseen (not listed on his Certificate of service)
The second MID was December 1945 when he was in HMSubmarine Sleuth listed as just returned from the Pacific.
Any help would be much appreciated.
 
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k Lomax MID.

Royal Navy HMS Sleuth
from:Widnes, Lancashire

Frank Lomax served on:
  • HMS Raleigh, 3rd July 1940 as an ordinary seaman.
  • HMS Drake 10th September 1940.
  • HMS Defiance 2nd October 1940.
  • HMS Dolphin 6th February 1941.
  • HMS Maidstone 26th April 1941; 27th June 1941 as Able Seaman; 3rd July 1941 Able Seaman.
  • HMS St Angelo (SC) 18th July 1941; (HM Sub Urge) 16th September 1941. (Sub lost 28th April 1942); (SC) 16th November 1941.
  • HMS Talbot (HMS Sub Una) 28th February 1943.
  • HMS Dolphin (S/M's) 2nd March 1943.
  • HMS Ambrose (S/M's) 14th May 1943.
  • HMS Ambrose (HM Sub Sea Dog) 12th October 1943.
  • HMS Forth (HM Sea Dog) 15th August 1944; (S/M's) 29th November 1944; (HM Sub Sleuth) 10th January 1945.
  • HMS Maidstone (HM Sub Sleuth) 12 January 1945.
  • HMS Dolphin (HM Sub Sleuth) 1st October 194; (S/M's) 22nd February 1946 Released Class A.
He was Mentioned in Dispatches: for Distinguished Service (HM Sub Unseen) No. 1 1st June 1943 - Parchment. and for Distinguished Service (HM Sub Sleuth) No. 2 18th December 1945 - Parchment.
 

Salty-Dog

Lantern Swinger
From Wikki:

Servicemen and women of the British Empire or the Commonwealth who are mentioned in despatches (MiD) are not awarded a medal for their actions, but receive a certificate and wear an oak leaf device on the ribbon of the appropriate campaign medal. A smaller version of the oak leaf device is attached to the ribbon when worn alone.[1] Prior to 2014, only one device could be worn on a ribbon, irrespective of the number of times the recipient was mentioned in despatches.[2] Where no campaign medal is awarded, the oak leaf is worn directly on the coat after any medal ribbons.[3] In the British Armed Forces, the despatch is published in the London Gazette.[1]

The London Gazette should give details of his MIDs.
From what I can gather the Burma Clasp was worn with the Pacific Star prior to the award of the Burma Star.
Hope this helps.
 
Hi Robert2,
Thanks for your help and for sending the war record info.

It confirms what I have taken from his Certificate of Service which is so badly rubbed it is difficult to read.

Here is a link to my Blog Page, mostly about a visit I made to the Submarine Museum in Gosport who were helpful with some info.
Somehow, I need to sort out the info on what would have been attached to ribbon for the second MID.

https://franks4x4-solograndetour.blogspot.com/2017/03/my-visit-to-submarine-museum-today.html

The blog contains all of the photos I have of him passed to me by a sister.

At the end is also an interesting and detailed record of HMS Sleuth and the tour to the Pacific.
Extract taken from the Wrecksite website: http://wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?189234

Entered by one Jan Lettens on 06/01/2013 who's father was Gunner on Sleuth during the Pacific campaign.
 
From Wikki:

Servicemen and women of the British Empire or the Commonwealth who are mentioned in despatches (MiD) are not awarded a medal for their actions, but receive a certificate and wear an oak leaf device on the ribbon of the appropriate campaign medal. A smaller version of the oak leaf device is attached to the ribbon when worn alone.[1] Prior to 2014, only one device could be worn on a ribbon, irrespective of the number of times the recipient was mentioned in despatches.[2] Where no campaign medal is awarded, the oak leaf is worn directly on the coat after any medal ribbons.[3] In the British Armed Forces, the despatch is published in the London Gazette.[1]

The London Gazette should give details of his MIDs.
From what I can gather the Burma Clasp was worn with the Pacific Star prior to the award of the Burma Star.
Hope this helps.

Thanks for your reply Salty-Dog and very helpful info.
I will get in touch with the Burma Star association as they may be able to tell me if the Burma Clasp is used for recognition of that 2nd MID or is for something else.
I am convinced that the Pacific Star had something on it when i gave it away even though I was only 4 yrs old at the time !!!!

I did not get very far with the internet & London gazette. I found a list of 7 subs all given MID's for the the pacific campaign, one of which was HMS Sleuth.

If you read the story at the bottom of my blog page about the crew all swimming from Sleuth to a sunken Jap Boat to rescue women & children, I thought that it may have been given for that.

https://franks4x4-solograndetour.blogspot.com/2017/03/my-visit-to-submarine-museum-today.html
 
Cdr Tall not Fall was in charge of the Museum at one time.
Hi Janner,
Thanks for that info. I will correct the Blog Page.
I met Cdr. Tall when he gave a series of 3 lectures on the history of submarines aboard one of the last cruises of the QE2. He was quit helpful and pointed me to the museum for help.
Trust me to get his name wrong.
 
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Hi Robert2,
Thanks for your help and for sending the war record info.

It confirms what I have taken from his Certificate of Service which is so badly rubbed it is difficult to read.

Here is a link to my Blog Page, mostly about a visit I made to the Submarine Museum in Gosport who were helpful with some info.
Somehow, I need to sort out the info on what would have been attached to ribbon for the second MID.

https://franks4x4-solograndetour.blogspot.com/2017/03/my-visit-to-submarine-museum-today.html

The blog contains all of the photos I have of him passed to me by a sister.

At the end is also an interesting and detailed record of HMS Sleuth and the tour to the Pacific.
Extract taken from the Wrecksite website: http://wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?189234

Entered by one Jan Lettens on 06/01/2013 who's father was Gunner on Sleuth during the Pacific campaign.
I hope you manage to find out more of your fathers brave war service in submarines. Mention in Despatches is as high a honour as a DSM would be, The boat your father was serving on had so many brave souls that a medal had to be rationed. in wartime so making an oak leaf --that your father won- was much less costly to make in raw material but no less important.

12 Sep 1945
HMS Sleuth (Lt. K.H. Martin, RN) departed Hong Kong for passage to the U.K. She arrived back in the U.K. on 2 November 1945 when she arrved at Portsmouth. She was paid off into reserve on 21 November 1945. (13)

13 Jun 1952
HMS Sleuth collided with the destroyer HMS Zephyr while leaving Portland harbour. She put her stern through the side of Zephyr as she reversed out of her berth.

sHame after all that.
 
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Just a final update on my searches for anyone interested to know....

I found what I was looking for from MOD Medals Dept.
Dad's full Set were.
Defence Medal
War Medal 1939/45 with Oak Leaf (covering both MID's)
1935-45 Star
Atlantic Star

and the two I gave away
Africa Star with North Africa 1942-43 Clasp
Pacific Star with Burma Clasp


Thanks to you all for all of your help and comments...
I just need to source a North Africa 1942-43 Clasp and then I can get them all cleaned & framed . .and the long overdue Job will be done .
Frank
 

Waspie

War Hero
When I was four years old I gave two medals away at nursery school - I was never forgiven for that as they were never recovered. I have since replaced them both

That I can empathise with. As a very young lad I managed to lose a small cleaver looking 'thing'. My dad never forgave me for that. Evidently and not from my dad but one of his many brothers. My dad had made the cleaver himself to 'tidy' up hides as he was his units sniper during WW2. Something else I had been unaware of until my uncle told me. (It also explained why for years plod had came to the house to talk to dad - it was to ask if they could use his rifle which was held at the local police station).
Luckily for dad he was removed off the Normandy beaches because he had lied about his age and another brother bubbled him. Not before dad was shot in the stomach - again, luckily, the round was at the end of it's trajectory and simply seared itself into his skin!!! One lucky man!!!
 
That I can empathise with. As a very young lad I managed to lose a small cleaver looking 'thing'. My dad never forgave me for that. Evidently and not from my dad but one of his many brothers. My dad had made the cleaver himself to 'tidy' up hides as he was his units sniper during WW2. Something else I had been unaware of until my uncle told me. (It also explained why for years plod had came to the house to talk to dad - it was to ask if they could use his rifle which was held at the local police station).
Luckily for dad he was removed off the Normandy beaches because he had lied about his age and another brother bubbled him. Not before dad was shot in the stomach - again, luckily, the round was at the end of it's trajectory and simply seared itself into his skin!!! One lucky man!!!

A Fascinating story. Like you I know very little about what my father did as he would never talk about it
Frank
 
Just going through the process of getting my Grandads stuff from the MOD, we have received his records (that took 10 months), and now my mum has applied to the Medal Office to see what medals he is/was entitled too? the records only show 1939/45 War Medal and 1939/45 Star, however he served in Burma, India, Egypt and Ceylon (No 1 Commando).

He never applied for the medals after the war as my Grandma wanted nothing more to do with it.

Hopefully it wont be another 10 month wait.
 
Hi JFH,
It can take ages and if like me you tend to give up and then pick it up later it takes years.
Based on my dads record it sounds like there should be an Africa Star and a Pacific and maybe also a Burma Star in there.
Apparently The Burma Clasp on his Pacific star was because their was a shortage for everyone to get both medals.
Happy Hunting
 
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