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Hydrographic, meteorological and oceanographic specialist

bja199

Badgeman
WS (HM) Hydrographic v Meteorology

Hi,

I've got a September start date for Raleigh and I applied as a hydrographic specialist. I realise hydrographic and met branches are closely linked, but recently read something which indicates everyone starts off doing the same training (beyond phase 1 at Raleigh) then gets assigned either H or M depending on what the Navy requires (taking into account your request, with a chance of changing over later if possible). What I can't be sure about as I can't remember where I read it is if that is old info, i.e. how it used to be done, or up to date info (sounds like they keep changing their minds every few years anyway). AFCO's response rather vague as always, so if anyone can give a bit more detail it would be much appreciated. I have a background in geophysics / surveying, so imagine it would make sense for me to get my preferred H choice, but it can't hurt to find out more.

Does the split occur at the start of phase 2 training, or does everyone do some H and M training then split?

Also, my understanding is that H would only work on survey ships, where as M are mostly shorebased with occasional drafts to ships with aircraft. Is that about right?

Last thing, does anyone know how the crew changes work on the survey ships? Scott has 3 crews which rotate so one is always off the ship. Any idea if it's similar on the other survey ships? Does it depend on ship size?

I hope the questions aren't too silly, but I always get the reply "well, it's a small, specialised branch so we dont really know"...

Thanks, B
 
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Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Good questions, well put.

Having spoken to our beardy, John-Lennon glasses and socks'n'sandals wearing bretheren at the Hydrographic, Meteorological & Oceanographic School (always sounds like the start of Greased Lightning, to me)...

They advise:

You get an H & M (not the clothes shop) lecture from the branch specialists during Initial Naval Training (around about week 6/7) You then get a week to choose your Spec & join Phase Two already streamed.

Metocs can be called -upon to serve on any ship with a flightdeck depending on operational tasking. True, they mainly serve on carriers and air-stations, but deployed Frigates upwards are quite likely to have Metocs.

ALL survey ships rotate their crews.
 
I'm considering applying as a Hydrographic, Meteorological and Oceanographic Specialist. I've already done a bit of research into the role and discovered that it's split into two categories: Hydrographic and Meteorological. From what I understand Hydrographic Specialists study everything from the ocean's surface to the sea floor and as such spend a considerable amount of time at sea, while Meteorological Specialists study everything upwards into the atmosphere and are usually stationed on land at Air Bases.

A couple of questions if I may.

- Is it possible to choose your specialisation? (For example I would relish the opportunity to travel and so would much rather be Hydrographic than Meteorological).

- What does the job actually entail? (The scientific aspect is what entices me to the role. However, will I be getting "hands-on" so to speak? For example I've recently seen pictures of the crew of HMS Protector exploring ice caverns in Antarctica. If I was to join and then find myself sat in front of a computer all day I would be sorely disappointed).

- Would anybody happen to know whether the waiting time for the role is excessive?

Thanks for your help!
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
My guess is exploring ice caverns is not within the terms of reference of hydrographic surveyors who more often would be using computers linked to sonar to survey and plot the ocean floor. They produce paper and/or digital charts for commercial use by maritime industry.

Whilst opportunities may occur to view the interior of ice caves, bask on tropical beaches, search for missing wrecks of ships & aircraft, etc., I'd be inclined to believe it more the exception than the rule.
 
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Axel.

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Pontius

War Hero
That was so boring it put the computers in the background to sleep.

I think I want a 'key enabler' but I don't know what one is.









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bja199

Badgeman
- Is it possible to choose your specialisation? (For example I would relish the opportunity to travel and so would much rather be Hydrographic than Meteorological).

Our two posts were merged. See Ninja's reply to my post. You get a choice, but how likely you are to get your choice may depend how many people there are wanting to do each of the specialisations. Not sure about the chances of swapping over at a later date if you don't get your choice...

- What does the job actually entail? (The scientific aspect is what entices me to the role. However, will I be getting "hands-on" so to speak? For example I've recently seen pictures of the crew of HMS Protector exploring ice caverns in Antarctica. If I was to join and then find myself sat in front of a computer all day I would be sorely disappointed).

I imagine that would be a one off highlight, not something that happens very often as a standard part of the job. I'm expecting a big part of the job to be watching pings on the screen.

- Would anybody happen to know whether the waiting time for the role is excessive?

I was initially told 18 months, but by the time I start in Sept it will have been over 2 yrs. Not sure if the waiting times have continued to get shorter.
 

bja199

Badgeman
Hiya,

It took two years for me from applying to actually getting started at Raleigh a year ago, but some have made it through a bit quicker since then. Seems there are only two intakes per year as it's a small branch. Your AFCO should be able to give you a better idea of timescale. Which are you thinking of going for, H or M?

I've not long finished Phase 2 so let me know if you have any questions :)
 

u04elw2

Badgeman
Cool thanks :) im already in the RNR and have Raleigh in September so the plan is just to power through as many modules as I can in the next 2 years and we'll see how it goes from there. Just back from Marinisation today and have militarisation in 3 weeks. Figured the more I do now the more I'll have behind me for full time. AFCO also said approx 2 years. Most interested in H but am a science geek so flexible
 

bja199

Badgeman
Met seemed to be about remembering a lot of codes, i.e. every cloud type and precipitation type has a number and also covered oceanography like internal waves etc. Hydrography includes a lot of seamanship, i.e. driving boats and also measuring tides, doing beach surveys. I was always going for H, but kept my mind open to Met. Glad so far that I stuck with H though. As a Met you might have the option of sea drafts or air stations, where as H you'll basically always be at sea.
 

u04elw2

Badgeman
So what's the "rota" like for sea time? Have heard a lot of people say there's high chance of 2 month rotations?
 
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