PAYD is being phased in at Raleigh in early 2007, I think February, but it will not affect New Entrants as they will still be charged the food and accomm rates mentioned earlier by scribes.
FlagWagger said:dunkers said:Not if the latest Two Six is to be believed Jenny.
According to the latest episode it will be in operation in Collingwood by the end of this year and there is a rollout shedule for PAYD across the entire RN which will have the entire Service running on it by Feb 2008. So in 18 months every base will be on it.
I heard that too - if I remember correctly from reading a paper in circulation to DOs earlier this year (March time I think) explaining the background to the decision to adopt PAYD (or Save As You Starve if you prefer!). Basically its all being driven by the fear of litigation under our old friend the Human Rights Convention - the thinking being that if someone is drafted to a shore establishment and pays food charges and doesn't use the messing, that person is being disadvantaged by paying for something that wasn't taken. Ergo, since there is an outside chance of a successful challenge under Human Rights legislation, the MOD must adopt the inherently fairer scheme of charging people for what is consumed. The paper goes on to recognise that in trials PAYD had been less popular in the Wardroom and SRs Mess, however it was popular in the JRs.
<cynic & rant mode=on> In order to implement SAYS er PAYD, the management of the catering MUST be passed onto a civvy company (more board positions for ex-Admirals!); in order to sweeten the pot, they'll probably take over the bars too (is Colingrad SRs Mess still fighting to retain control rather than be handed over to Flagship?). The civvy company will immediately take steps to maximise shareholder value by cutting costs and implementing strict portion control thus leaving Jack, Tommy and the Crabs enduring meagre portions of crap food and increased bar prices.<cynic & rant mode = off>
I can see PAYD working on larger establishments, IF the civvy contractor doesn't take the p155. However, in smaller establishments its going to be a disaster. About 18 months ago, I was an inmate in the WO & SNCOs Mess at Boscombe Down - in the WO & SNCOs mess, there were 12 livers- in, 2 of us civvy; in the Juniors Mess there were about 20 or so livers-in. For reasons of economy, the Seniors and Juniors shared a servery so the caterers were cooking for 3 dozen typically. How will choice be maintained in such a small mess once PAYD is introduced (and to be fair it was pretty crap before!). On the messing front, Aramark already had the contract for the bars (Officers and SNCOs - there wasn't a service Junior Ranks bar). In the SNCOs Mess, on a good night there were 6 people in the mess and 3 of these were associate members from out side the establishment!
andym said:When i was at Raleigh in 78, we were all paid Â£25 a fortnight irrespective of your actual pay rate.Any underpayment was given to you when you went to your Part 2 training,i got Â£95!!!I have never had so much money all at once.Athough i was loaded some only got a few quid,i remember one bloke got Â£1 backpay which he promptly threw away.Not sure what hapens today.
letthecatoutofthebag said:Can't tell if you are serious or jesting?? :lol:
Seriously, its time we stopped treating our young people like imbeciles and gave them some respect and credit. After all they have decided to to the best job in the world so they can't be that stupid...
If you treat people like they are idiots they act like idiots. You get what you deserve.