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HMS RALEIGH; What is it really like?

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Snowman91

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I'm joining up and am currently going through the various stages. I passed my written test, and failed my first medical due to weight and an ingrown toe nail. I'm back on track now, a pound or two away from re-scheduling my medical. My AFCO liason officer informed me that my 2.4k run will be roughly 2-3 weeks after my medical. I was curious as to what the waiting period is from my physical to the 4 days "experience" course. And then from the 4 days to getting boots down in Raleigh?

Also, I've spent many a night reading about HMS Raleigh, from recruit diary entries, to the RN website, to BBC website articles, to threads on here which is what prompted me to join. It's all been quite helpful but I sitll have some unanswered questions.

1) How often is physical exercise? I expect it to be once a day, 5-6 days a week on top of training in the vcarious scenarios but would like to clarify.

2) I noticed on a BBC mini-documentary that recruits can be promoted during their basic training. To what extent are the promotions? Are they official rank-ups to Leading Hand, or are they class/squad/team leader promotions - and if that's the case can this be used as a stepping stone to a rank-up promotion?

3) I'm expecting my first born during July and depending on how fast the joining process is after the physical may be enlisted at Raleigh. Would I be given a day or two leave to be present at the birth and spend time with my daughter? And if so would this back-class me?

4) Finally, can anyone tell me of the worse parts of phase one training at Raleigh? I've read of the comradery, the teamwork, and the strain on the body which can be experienced but I haven't read a single case where a bad situation arose - bullying Full Metal Jacket style, Abuse etc. I'm hoping that this is just because these things are squashed the moment they're hinted at by recruits and staff alike but it's best to be sure. So anyone have a bad Raleigh story?
 

Waspie

War Hero
No 4 kinda gets me thinking - Join the RAF.

Todays recruits have the benefit of internet and many more inroads to what the RN is like. For gods sake, if your having doubts. Don't join. The RN, training and operational, is what YOU make it. Yes there are bully's - there are bullies everywhere in life.

You sir - have some serious decisions ahead of you.
 

DruAde

Lantern Swinger
Strikes me you are scared to death . Not even going to comment on the leading hand question thats just too funny.
 

Snowman91

Lantern Swinger
I wouldn't say I'm scared to death. Apprehensive yes, but this is a career choice for me so I was just seeing if there were any last minute tips/advice from current servicemen/women who have been through it. Also why won't you comment on the Leading hand? I'm curious and not a lot of information is given in terms of promotions. On the RN site it just has some spiel about "work hard, be diligent and promotions will come etc etc".
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
snowman - Leading Hand is something you will be qualified for after a couple of years. At RALEIGH its more of a temporary 'rank' to see how you can handle responsibility at an early stage. You need to complete professional training and gain experience first before you'd be in the running for LH.
 

exJenny

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I'll be nice.

The promotions are class leader, deputy and mess bosun. Means bugger all after phase 1.

What branch are you joining? If you know your sprog is due in July and get offered a date which would mean you'd be in training then, defer it. Don't hold someone else's training up. If you got backclassed it could have a knock on effect to your part 2 training as well.
 

Snowman91

Lantern Swinger
Thanks for the info. I'm joining as a Warfare Specialist. Have you been promoted to/past LH, and if so, is there anyway I can dedicate myself to earning promotions or is it something I'd just be put up for by a superior officer? What is a bosun?!
 

DruAde

Lantern Swinger
I Also why won't you comment on the Leading hand? I'm curious and not a lot of information is given in terms of promotions. On the RN site it just has some spiel about "work hard, be diligent and promotions will come etc etc".

Sorry it just struck me as amusing that you could even think getting promotion to leading hand whilst you are not even a sailor out of basic training was possible . Some of your training staff at HMS Raleigh will be leading hands .
 
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Snowman91

Lantern Swinger
When you put it like that it does sound like rather a stupid question DruAde. I'm still just curious, despite speaking to AFCO advisors, and my readings. I'm sure it will all subside when I get to Raleigh. I'll just keep discovering new things until my joining date probably. Any advice to getting through Raleigh well?
 

Snowman91

Lantern Swinger
Hey finknottle, don't be a dick. Is there nothing you would say having finished phase 1, to your former self about to enter.
 

finknottle

Banned
Hey finknottle, don't be a dick. Is there nothing you would say having finished phase 1, to your former self about to enter.

Only one thing, don't gob-off when it's lights out, that way you won't have to double up and down the road in the pissing rain in brown hatters overalls and an oilskin, oh and boots.


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CmdKeen

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Sorry it just struck me as amusing that you could even think getting promotion to leading hand whilst you are not even a sailor out of basic training was possible . Some of your training staff at HMS Raleigh will be leading hands .

Given the other two forces do it for their direct entry service policemen, and we used to have the Tiff scheme, the prospect of a promotion at the end of your training isn't an impossible one. The distinction between phase 1 and phase 2 is hardly something the steely RN media machine makes clear.
 

Sumo

War Hero
full of sprogs who find out life is not fair but with the right frame of mind can be fun, well someone will have a laugh?:naka:
 

OMM

War Hero
"What is it really like?"

Is that suggesting the one million and one other threads on the subject aren't truthful?

It's exactly as it says on the tin. You get up early, you march, you workout, you get cold, you clean, you eat and you clean some more.

It's 10 weeks of sticking to the rules and playing the game. Once out of phase 1 it slackens down a lot.

In regards to promotion, who in their right mind would put someone into a leading hand position in charge of ABs based on their 10 weeks performance at HMS Raleigh when the most serious thing to organise and manage is the queue for the washing machine.




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exJenny

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"What is it really like?"

Is that suggesting the one million and one other threads on the subject aren't truthful?

It's exactly as it says on the tin. You get up early, you march, you workout, you get cold, you clean, you eat and you clean some more.

It's 10 weeks of sticking to the rules and playing the game. Once out of phase 1 it slackens down a lot.

In regards to promotion, who in their right mind would put someone into a leading hand position in charge of ABs based on their 10 weeks performance at HMS Raleigh when the most serious thing to organise and manage is the queue for the washing machine.




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Take note of what Cmdkeen said OMM. Just because you know everything because you've got through phase 1 doesn't mean all those looking to apply know about promotion, rates and ranks.
 

finknottle

Banned
Given the other two forces do it for their direct entry service policemen, and we used to have the Tiff scheme, the prospect of a promotion at the end of your training isn't an impossible one. The distinction between phase 1 and phase 2 is hardly something the steely RN media machine makes clear.


You are correct, when I finished training I went straight out to the Far East to join HMS Eagle and took over the duties of a captain.
 

OMM

War Hero
Take note of what Cmdkeen said OMM. Just because you know everything because you've got through phase 1 doesn't mean all those looking to apply know about promotion, rates and ranks.

Hence why I worded it in a way that would allow him to see why he was wrong and so he can see how promotion works beyond phase 1.

Wasn't trying to undermine him, just educate.




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exJenny

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People have joined Raleigh as a rating and in under 12months have walked through the gates of BRNC to undergo officer training.
 

OMM

War Hero
People have joined Raleigh as a rating and in under 12months have walked through the gates of BRNC to undergo officer training.

Surely based on their performance post phase 2 whilst actually serving with a ships company.

Promotion is available to those who are willing to work hard for it. Especially in specific trades which are lacking numbers in senior roles.




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