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HMS Queen Elizabeth's first Captain

Flagdeck

War Hero
He had to be a Commodore...........Captain Kyd FFS.......
Arrrgghh, Jim lad ! :pirate:
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
"Erm, not really. Capt Kyd was a Capt RN after leaving LUST/ARKR, the last CO of BULW is still a Capt RN, the new CO of OCEA is a brand new Capt RN, and thus has another job to go."

@ATG - times have changed then. Last time I looked, I thought the LPD and CVS were rated as 1* drives.
 

Guns

War Hero
Moderator
It is a bit of revolutionary thinking. Take the most knowledgeable CVS driver with the most Carrier Strike experience who has also has current 1* Command so that he can ensure the smooth transition of the new CVF to embark battle-staff and air wing to achieve its main function.

Best man for the job and all that. Dangerous thinking that.
 
So will the second in command be a OF-5 or lower rank?

The Commanding Officer of the ship, always known as The Captain, will be a Captain in rank (OF-5) as Cdre Kyd will revert to this for the duration of his appointment.

The second in command of the ship, otherwise known as the XO (Executive Officer), will be a Commander in rank (OF-4). Although he won't be the only Commander on board, he will be known as The Commander.

The First Lieutenant will probably be a Lieutenant Commander (OF-3). In smaller ships, the First Lieutenant is also the XO and could hold any rank from Sub Lt (OF-1) to Lt Cdr.
 
It is a bit of revolutionary thinking. Take the most knowledgeable CVS driver with the most Carrier Strike experience who has also has current 1* Command so that he can ensure the smooth transition of the new CVF to embark battle-staff and air wing to achieve its main function.

Best man for the job and all that. Dangerous thinking that.

He was also a NO of a CVS when were had FA2 and GR7/9.
 
A good honest and reliable man, went to war with him as Navigater on ARK 2003, daughter went to sea with him when he was CO of ARK thought he was the DBs no better mentor than Alan Massey.
 

tomcat24

Lantern Swinger
Why would the Executive Officer

be a Commander and not also a four stripe Captain like on American carriers?
 
Why would the Executive Officer

Why would the Executive Officer be a Commander and not also a four stripe Captain like on American carriers?

Perhaps you should be asking why any Executive Officer of an American carrier needs to be a four stripe Captain and not a Commander like on British carriers?
 
Some further context:

In early days, Royal Navy ships were led by commissioned officers comprising the captain and his lieutenants. The lieutenants were ranked on board as '1st lieutenant', '2nd lieutenant', '3rd lieutenant', etc., according to their seniority with the 1st lieutenant as executive officer (second-in-command) and senior watchkeeper. Midshipmen were officers under training until promoted to lieutenant on passing an examination board.

Lieutenants could be appointed in command of smaller vessels and were known as 'lieutenants-in-command' although the title of 'master and commander' (shortened to 'commander' in 1794) was introduced to distinguish the more senior lieutenants. Successful commanders (who were called 'Captain' on board their own ships as a courtesy) could be promoted to captain which was known as 'making post'. Such post captains were then assigned to rated vessels in the rating system of the Royal Navy. The captain of a sixth rate, for instance, was generally junior to the captain of a first rate.

The ranks of sub-lieutenant (introduced 1861) and lieutenant-commander (introduced 1914) provided further distinctions in seniority and responsibility. The original term of 1st lieutenant is still applied to the senior bridge watchkeeper and head of the seamanship department irrespective of his/her rank. In smaller ships, the 1st Lt fulfils the modern day role of executive officer (second-in-command). However, in larger ships such as LPHs, LPDs and aircraft carriers, the executive officer is a commander while the 1st lieutenant is probably a lieutenant-commander.
 
Perhaps you should be asking why any Executive Officer of an American carrier needs to be a four stripe Captain and not a Commander like on British carriers?

Because, as I'm sure you know, the CO of a CVN is a WAFU, and it will be his 2nd drive. His 1st drive will be of a LHA/LHD, he will then be an XO of a CVN and then move up in the bed to be CO of a CVN.
 

Seaweed

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Buried under Gazer's informed comment is that we ran an enormous Navy with far fewer ranks and rates than seemed to be needed in the Army. For instance Lt Cdr became a formal rank because of parity considerations whereas previously it was merely that Lts with over 8 years seniority wore an extra half stripe. That's why until recently Lt Cdrs were promoted on seniority alone, prompting Pongoes to call them 'Spunyarn Majors' as soldiers had to pass a Captain-to-Major exam (in joined-up writing).

Similarly the Lower Deck evolved into Leading hand, PO & CPO but this made CPO a ceiling for pay below what Army WOs could achieve [except for MAAs]; something more obvious after the old RN WO with his thin stripe (and separate mess in big ships) was transmogrified into a commissioned officer in the 1950s. Decades of CPOs griping about want of a 'Master rate' preceded the RN introduction of the modern WOs.

PS 'Captain' Bligh of HM Armed Transport Bounty was a Lt in Command. He had started as a Master's Mate and ended up as a Vice Admiral.
 
Because, as I'm sure you know, the CO of a CVN is a WAFU, and it will be his 2nd drive. His 1st drive will be of a LHA/LHD, he will then be an XO of a CVN and then move up in the bed to be CO of a CVN.

Yes, I knew that just as I'm sure you knew I knew that. ;-)

Just to confirm your point, these were the COs of the US CVNs when I last looked. Congress dictates that they must all be naval aviators:

USS NIMITZ: Captain Jeff Ruth USN – Previously commanded USS MOUNT WHITNEY (LCC 20) and served as Navigator of USS GEORGE WASHINGTON (CVN 73) and Executive Officer of USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN (CVN 72).

USS DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER: Captain Stephen T Koehler – Previously commanded USS BATAAN (LHD 5) and served as Executive Officer of USS CARL VINSON (CVN 70).

USS CARL VINSON: Captain Kent D Whalen USN – Previously commanded USS JUNEAU (LPD 10) and USS DENVER (LPD-9) and served as Executive Officer of USS GEORGE WASHINGTON (CVN 73).

USS THEODORE ROOSEVELT: Captain Daniel C Grieco USN – Previously commanded USS BLUE RIDGE (LCC 19) and served as Executive Officer of USS GEORGE WASHINGTON (CVN 73).

USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN: No CO. Currently undergoing refuelling and complex overhaul in Newport News, Va.

USS GEORGE WASHINGTON: Captain Greg “Fence” Fenton USN – Previously commanded USS DENVER (LPD 9) and served as Executive Officer of USS THEODORE ROOSEVELT (CVN 71).

USS JOHN C. STENNIS: Captain Michael Wettlaufer USN – Previously commanded USS Denver (LPD 9) and served as Executive Officer of USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74). Of particular interest, he also served as test pilot and instructor at the Empire Test Pilots’ School on exchange with the Royal Navy. While in the UK, he flew numerous aircraft including the Jaguar, Hawk, Hunter and Tucano. He also completed initial Joint Strike Fighter (F-35) flight control system evaluation trials in the VAAC Harrier on board HMS Invincible (R05). He subsequently served in the Office of the Secretary of Defense as a policy analyst for the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for European and NATO Policy where he was country Director for the UK, France, Canada and the Baltic States.

USS HARRY S. TRUMAN: Captain S Robert Roth USN – Previously commanded USS CLEVELAND (LPD 7) and served as Executive Officer of USS GEORGE H.W. BUSH (CVN 77).

USS RONALD REAGAN: Captain Christopher E Bolt USN – Previously commanded and served as Executive Officer of USS DUBUQUE (LPD 8 ) and as Executive Officer of USS Nimitz (CVN 68 ).

USS GEORGE H. W. BUSH: Captain Andrew J Loiselle USN – Previously commanded USS GUNSTON HALL (LSD 44) and served as Executive Officer of USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71).

USS GERALD FORD: Captain John F Meier USN - Previously served as Executive Officer of USS HARRY S. TRUMAN (CVN 75).
 

tomcat24

Lantern Swinger
Oh ok. o there's an overkill of four stripes on US CVNs then. Captain of the ship, XO, and the CAG plus more on the admiral's staff.
 
And the Reactor Officer, and the Capt USN Information Warfare Officer (EW Co-ord, CESM Co-ord, Comms Co-ord), and DCAG, and COMDESRON and DCOMDESRON. And don't forget the O-6 in Command of the Tico.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
And the Reactor Officer, and the Capt USN Information Warfare Officer (EW Co-ord, CESM Co-ord, Comms Co-ord), and DCAG, and COMDESRON and DCOMDESRON. And don't forget the O-6 in Command of the Tico.

Apart from reactor officer, I have no idea of what you are talking about!
 
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