HMS Queen Elizabeth's first Captain

#5
Do we really need a broad pennant driving a Carrier? That said;

He will join HMS Queen Elizabeth following his appointment as Commander of the UK’s Response Force Task Group
Surely he can't be Ship's CO and Force Commander? Thinks; why did Cdre Harwood need Capt Woodhouse in '39?
 
#6
Do we really need a broad pennant driving a Carrier? That said;

He will join HMS Queen Elizabeth following his appointment as Commander of the UK’s Response Force Task Group
Surely he can't be Ship's CO and Force Commander? Thinks; why did Cdre Harwood need Capt Woodhouse in '39?
The announcement is ambiguous. As I understand it, Cdre Kyd will take command of HMS Queen Elizabeth in the summer of 2015 on completion of his current appointment as Commander RFTG (aka COMUKTG - Commander UK Task Group) and will revert to Capt RN for the duration of his time on board.
 
#7
The announcement is ambiguous. As I understand it, Cdre Kyd will take command of HMS Queen Elizabeth in the summer of 2015 on completion of his current appointment as Commander RFTG (aka COMUKTG - Commander UK Task Group) and will revert to Capt RN for the duration of his time on board.
I thought Commodore was a substantive rank now?
 
#8
Commodore is a substantive rank these days Danny, I can't see anyone reverting to Captain but who knows? Maybe it's a paperwork exercise or just the title that's changing (unless the Commodore is/was Acting Local of course ;) )
 

Seadog

War Hero
Moderator
#9
Commercial outfits ( Cruise Companies mostly) have their Commodore in command at sea. The RFA Commodore used to sail in Command. No reason for the RN not to, especially if his command is the Flagship.

But please Sir, ditch the handkerchief in your reefer breast pocket.
 

Seaweed

War Hero
Book Reviewer
#10
The origins of this as I understand it lie in the 1990s Betts Report. Before this Commodore was a temporary appointment used to ensure that the officer so promoted was, in his actual appointment, senior to any other 4-ring captains who might happen by. The brown firm down the corridor however had Brig as a substantive rank and we didn't. Captains ranked as army colonels but the fix was that Captains of over 6(?) years seniority were paid as Brigs. Betts in levelling anomalies across the 2 services and the RAF (and getting rid of 5* which had become something of an anachronism, our cousins over the water appointed theirs and only very rarely by act of Congress, and making junior RM officer ranks same as Army instead of ranking one up) made Cdre a substantive promotion. However the really big Cds, typically 2nd drive if at sea, have always gone to senior Captains. Captains of BRNC, Collingwood etc thus became Cdres but were being paid like that anyway. For ships a nonsense arises if the 'captain' is a Cdre. So I imagine Cdre Kyd dresses as and is called Captain but is paid as Cdre, which he is. Someone who is more current than me (not difficult) might like to correct this.
 

silverfox

War Hero
Moderator
Book Reviewer
#11
There have been 1*s driving CVS' before now, SSBN for example, they retain the pay but adopt a temporary rank of Captain for the duration.
 
#12
As far as I know the head honcho on a ship is always called Captain, regardless of rank. So On a sweeper a two and half or two ringer would be Captain. Surely it works the other way too so a Commodore can be Captain but would actually be paid and uniformed as a Commodore.
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
#15
Most of the high profile drives are 1* drives - essentially you have them as the final sea job and ensure you put a very experienced operator somewhere where he can do a lot of good.
For day to day purposes they revert back to OF5, but will then be appointed back onto the 1* plot on completion of their post.
 
#16
Most of the high profile drives are 1* drives - essentially you have them as the final sea job and ensure you put a very experienced operator somewhere where he can do a lot of good.
For day to day purposes they revert back to OF5, but will then be appointed back onto the 1* plot on completion of their post.
Erm, not really. Capt Kyd was a Capt RN after leaving LUST/ARKR, the last CO of BULW is still a Capt RN, the new CO of OCEA is a brand new Capt RN, and thus has another job to go.
 

Similar threads

New Posts