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HMS Ocean Seizes Cocaine in the Carribean

Six_and_a_Half

Lantern Swinger
Defence News Article

Personally I think this is the best way to reduce the amount of drugs sold in the streets, halt its coming into this country before it gets here! I found the article and the video quite interesting as an insight into how the Royal Navy conducts these drug busts, and also how smugglers transport the drugs from the Carribean into Europe.

What would be interesting to learn, is how the seized drugs are disposed of. I don't know if anybody can enlighten me here?

It always amazes me though; how can people degenerate themselves to snorting cocaine, especially when one considers their preferred location to partake of their habit: the public toilet. Well, I would only hope that you agree with me here, but snorting angel dust off a toilet seat is not my idea of a good night out!
 

slim

War Hero
Like Salvage money the spoils are divided by Rank. Obviously the Captain gets the biggest share with the rest proportionally divided between the rest of the ships company.

Seized drugs used to be incinerated, obviously under supervision.
 
Peter said:
[..................... how can people degenerate themselves to snorting cocaine, ............!

Doesn't appear to do Kate Moss and Doherty much harm... she's got a multi million £ contract and he's still being let off by the (now) so-called Ministry of Justice :x
 

angry_mac

War Hero
Lst year on Cumberland we seized 200 million pounds worth of coke beat that carrier fags.
Just WTF is that jolly boat doing a frigates/destroyers job anyways. What a monumental waste of resources.
 

Jack77

War Hero
Peter said:
Defence News Article
What would be interesting to learn, is how the seized drugs are disposed of. I don't know if anybody can enlighten me here?

I imagine that the system is similar to that in Australia where the seized drugs are handed to the Federal Police, weighed, tested and kept secure until the matter comes to court. After the court proceedings are finished the drugs are destroyed by burning. All this time a strict chain of custody record is kept and the weights checked each time the drugs change hands. The distruction is also witnessed and the distruction certificate signed by those present.
 

angry_mac

War Hero
Jack77 said:
Peter said:
Defence News Article
What would be interesting to learn, is how the seized drugs are disposed of. I don't know if anybody can enlighten me here?

I imagine that the system is similar to that in Australia where the seized drugs are handed to the Federal Police, weighed, tested and kept secure until the matter comes to court. After the court proceedings are finished the drugs are destroyed by burning. All this time a strict chain of custody record is kept and the weights checked each time the drugs change hands. The distruction is also witnessed and the distruction certificate signed by those present.

As soon as the drugs have been seized, the embarked US LEDET Coastguard have jurisdiction. The drugs are then taken to Miami to be disposed.
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
angry_mac said:
Lst year on Cumberland we seized 200 million pounds worth of coke beat that carrier fags.
Just WTF is that jolly boat doing a frigates/destroyers job anyways. What a monumental waste of resources.

Oh, HMS xxx seized more drugs than HMS xxx..!? Illegal drugs stopped from entering the black market is a "waste of resources"?! What happened to the old saying: "Speak softly but carry a bit stick"? Although the seizure was relatively small compared to others, the message is clear to traffickers - we're here to stop you! 8O
 

angry_mac

War Hero
What I am implying,is not that the job is not worth doing but using the largest ship in the fleet to do what a T23/22/42 does so well seems a bit ridiculous.
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
The Ocean was deployed in the area anyway, although not specifically for Drug Enforcement duties. That fact she did interdict a consignment was a bonus. BZ to them!
 

Scud

Badgeman
Surely it's more the RFA's job these days? Wave Ruler making bust after bust last winter with Iron Duke getting nary a look in.

Taking the argument to its logical conclusion, why waste an FF/DD on a job that could be done by a tanker with a cab on the back and a USCG Ledet embarked?
 

Six_and_a_Half

Lantern Swinger
I would imagine that the best type of ship for drug-busting / anti-smuggling work would be a fast-patrol boat, except we haven't got any anymore! :oops:

The next best ship would be the offshore patrol vessel, but we're rather short on those as well! I suppose in the end it all boils down to the fact that it doesn't matter what ship does the job, as long as its getting done.

With regards to Scud's comment: "Surely its the job of the RFA these days" I would certainly hope not! As I understand it RFA ships are not armed and are used to support the RN at sea in a logistical sense. It would be unwise to expect them to act in any kind of operational role.
 

DingDong

Lantern Swinger
don't complain. drugs off the street are drugs off the street. doesn't matter how we do it, it has to happen
 

tonrus

Midshipman
Peter said:
With regards to Scud's comment: "Surely its the job of the RFA these days" I would certainly hope not! As I understand it RFA ships are not armed and are used to support the RN at sea in a logistical sense. It would be unwise to expect them to act in any kind of operational role.

8O Think it's time you brought yourself up to speed with RFA operations. With the exception of the Bay Class all RFA's are fitted for self defence, ranging from 20mm to Phalanx on the AOR's. The boys and girls on Sir Bedivere off the Kuwait coast are certainly doing more than supporting the RN at sea in a logistical sense!

Get used to the blue flag being used in worldwide operations - harmony is killing the RN.
 

Karma

War Hero
Peter said:
I would imagine that the best type of ship for drug-busting / anti-smuggling work would be a fast-patrol boat, except we haven't got any anymore! :oops:

The next best ship would be the offshore patrol vessel, but we're rather short on those as well! I suppose in the end it all boils down to the fact that it doesn't matter what ship does the job, as long as its getting done.

With regards to Scud's comment: "Surely its the job of the RFA these days" I would certainly hope not! As I understand it RFA ships are not armed and are used to support the RN at sea in a logistical sense. It would be unwise to expect them to act in any kind of operational role.

I'll let you off for not appreciating maritime ops :)

Big decks have lots of information coming in and a mix of assets to do the job with.

And RFAs are just as capable of hosting the capability as anything else.
 
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Peter said:
Defence News Article

Personally I think this is the best way to reduce the amount of drugs sold in the streets, halt its coming into this country before it gets here! I found the article and the video quite interesting as an insight into how the Royal Navy conducts these drug busts, and also how smugglers transport the drugs from the Carribean into Europe.

I think you are seriously kidding yourself if you believe that our counetr-narcotics japes dents the market in any way. The Carribean is a vast and mighty ocean, crossed every day by go-fasts from all sorts of cartels, making their way from Venezuela, Columbia and other countries in that region to refuelling stops and small islands en route. There is simply not enough resources about to make it difficult for the traffickers to operate and for one, highly paid trio of bandits to make it so far and be intercepted, there are many who get through. These boats travel at 50+knots with their hull furnished to take two provisions - fuel and drugs. RoE states that it is illegal to operate any function which will endanger lives (I know, I know, ludicrous as it is) and such notions as 'putting a round through the engine' and 'dropping cargo nets to snag the prop' are verboten. Having done the APT(N) a few years ago and watched them get away with impunity (including a few gaffes and **** ups which would make a dog laugh - journalists, **** off, I am not telling, BTW) one smiles sagely when you see these bales 'destined for the streets of Britain' and the 'major dent in the operation of the cartels' and knows it aint quite the truth. The tide of cocaine and marijuana across the Carribean is relentless. True, doing nothing is not an option, but let's face it, the great and the good (the major recipients of this bounty) get away with it over and over again and fuel the trade by their ignorance and ambivalence.

It always amazes me though; how can people degenerate themselves to snorting cocaine, especially when one considers their preferred location to partake of their habit: the public toilet. Well, I would only hope that you agree with me here, but snorting angel dust off a toilet seat is not my idea of a good night out!

Dude. Take a walk into any club in a major city and you'll possibly see the users of cocaine not administering it from the toilet cistern. It's now done quite openly. Likewise taking cannabis. Again, mythological stereotypes.

Levers
 
Are we reduced to drug running? Where has my Navy gone? Yes they are off the streets, but they won`t go away, we have a small enough fleet as it is, the US Coastguard is huge, another Government ploy to please Bush?
 

Six_and_a_Half

Lantern Swinger
I wouldn't say we were reduced to drug running. In 1807 was the Royal Navy reduced to slavery patrols? I believe that an international effort is required to halt the sale of illegal drugs worldwide, and using RN warships to to thwart the smugglers making their passage across the Atlantic is simply a part of Britain's committment to that effort.
 
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