HMS Manchester on Patrol

seafarer1939

War Hero
Nothing is worse than some boring old salts spluttering over their glasses of Woods Navy and telling how it used to be but:
That's what happened in the local Monday night as me and three others who served at roughly the same time as we watched the programme on HMS Manchester.
Some of it was quite good,although I'll never understand matelots who preferred to have a drink and a swim on an atoll instead of impregnating every local woman that walked past!That's another point but the main topic of conversation was.
1.Why is every seaman now an Able Rate?what happened to Ordinary Seaman whilst in training?
2.Don't bunks have restraining bars,as on the Vic,that raise to stop that Wren from falling out of her bunk in Weather?
3.Who on earth was that two and a half ringer who said in darken ship,the scuttle goes over the window!!One of my drinkers nearly choked,doesn't Dartmouth teach about portholes any more or has the RN tradition completely gone to the dogs.
4.Why is it necessary to wear a hard hat to lower Zodiac?it's a bit nancified isn't it,a bit like Time team wearing them whilst digging 6”trench.
5.Lastly my own observation and one that I'm prepared to be corrected over.
I've stood shark sentry a few times with the trusty .303 and felt it would do the job but!will a .22 round from an SA80 really stop a Great White or a Mako?
Some of these buggers I've seen in the Red Sea needs the Orlikon or the Bofors closed up.
They you are something to muse over and shoot us old buggers down a bit.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
Ref the scuttle goes over the window (darken ship). I thought the deadlight went over the scuttle to darken ship (old and bolds used to try and get us sprog greenies to de-fuse the deadlights for darken ship).

Edited to add scuttle = porthole = window, deadlight is the hinged metal plate that covers the scuttle, lowered for action stations/darken ship etc.
 
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Jlou

Midshipman
Some time ago I watching a program about bullets going through water, if I remember correctly it was called Mythbusters.
They used a range of weapons with different sized bullets. It turns out that the bullet would break up on impact with the water or within a foot or two.

I think you can find the episode on YouTube.
 
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seafarer1939

War Hero
you are right Wrecker we were so incensed at the word window we must have misheard the previous words.
Still a bad show for an officer to call it a window.
I've got a book of the Naval sayings from Nelsons time and although we don't use a lot of them now there is still enough left to keep the RN tradition alive.
He should no better and I still think the SA80 is a mistake in shark waters,you'll just make it angry!
 

JW7121

Lantern Swinger
Some time ago I watching a program about bullets going through water, if I remember correctly it was called Mythbusters.
They used a range of weapons with different sized bullets. It turns out that the bullet would break up on impact with the water or within a foot or two.

I think you can find the episode on YouTube.

Yeah, I saw that. Basically the more high powered the gun the less distance the bullet will travel in the water and the bullet will break up. The experiment showed the gun that penetrated the furthest into the water, without the bullet breaking up was a pistol, so it was more effective than a high powered gun when shooting into the water.
 

SEP86

War Hero
1.Why is every seaman now an Able Rate?what happened to Ordinary Seaman whilst in training? - They start as AB2s.
2.Don't bunks have restraining bars,as on the Vic,that raise to stop that Wren from falling out of her bunk in Weather? - Yes they do.
3.Who on earth was that two and a half ringer who said in darken ship,the scuttle goes over the window!! - As above.
4.Why is it necessary to wear a hard hat to lower Zodiac?it's a bit nancified isn't it,a bit like Time team wearing them whilst digging 6”trench. - Because you raise the boat above head height to get it over the guard rails - nothing big or clever in getting hit on the head by a swinging boat (I didn't check if they had chinstays down properly - I hope they did).
5.Lastly my own observation and one that I'm prepared to be corrected over.
I've stood shark sentry a few times with the trusty .303 and felt it would do the job but!will a .22 round from an SA80 really stop a Great White or a Mako? - Good question?
My 2p worth inserted.
 
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guestm

Guest
AB / Ordinary seaman, who cares? AB2 - AB1 - LH etc etc.

Window / porthole, who cares?

There are straps to hold you in on type 42's, but you'd be hard pushed to find one fully serviceable.

Having seen someone swedged by a swinging seaboat, hardhats are for winners. Fractured skulls are for losers.

The marksman armed with the SA80 A2 (5.56mm btw) is there to shoot the swimmer, not the shark.
 
4.Why is it necessary to wear a hard hat to lower Zodiac?it's a bit nancified isn't it,a bit like Time team wearing them whilst digging 6”trench.

I may have blinked but did you mean the deck party or the RIB one? We introduced the hard hat (somewhat after the RNLI) to give a man overboard a fighting chance against a hull or propguard strike.

A note; a 5.56 mm ball is as near as dammit a .22 in one.

Montigny-La-Palisse. When you say;

AB / Ordinary seaman, who cares? AB2 - AB1 - LH etc etc

Does that mean that nobody cares if, say, a Fusilier is a Corporal or not?
 
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