HM Officer training

Hi All

In preparation for my AIB I'm trying to revise the HM training pipeline after BRNC however the link on the website is not working (I can remember it being there before!).

Royal Navy

I think after completing IWO you study at HMNB Devonport however I don't remember the time scales. Does anybody know these please? Any help would be most appreciated!!:)
Sorry, I won't be back in work by then - I could've asked the HM Training Unit for the exact skinny.

I'll cast around, but HM is a bit of the RN that I don't have a huge amount of experience on. Have you tried the "wayback" website to look through the old RN websites?
Thank you! How do you access the wayback website? I've not heard of it before.

Another sub-specialisation I'm interested in is military intelligence, I know this is a secondary duty and involves a 6 week training course to become a Ships Intelligence Officer, do you know where that training is held please?
Type in "way back when" into google, and the first result you'll get is:

Internet Archive: Wayback Machine

Type into the first bar you see, and crack on. I really couldn't be arsed to search through the site for you, mainly because I had a roast to cook and then eat :D

As for Int, it is a sub-spec of Warfare, can be done after your first OOW job, and the qualification course does indeed take 6 weeks - split between MWS Collingwood and Chicksands IIRC. Send an PM to "chaz" as he's a CT and will know much more about the specifics than I do. In the longer term, all Int Officers will need to do PWO Course in order to build broader Maritime Warfare knowledge and gain credibility.

Any thing else?
Anything that Sgt RM suggests on that first lesson on how to iron kit.

True dit:

Our DL had a ginger 'tache and in the same day received a commendation for bravery from the Chief Constable of Devon for saving a copper's life in a mass brawl on Union Street and went to Cdre's table for shagging a NAAFI bird on the pool table of the SR's mess...
That's brilliant, thank you for all your help!

I found on there the training pipeline and for those that may be interested it's based at HMNB Devonport at HMS Drake. The HM(H) basic hydrographic surveying course is for 12 weeks to learn background theoretical knowledge and basic practical skills of hydrography. On completion you can further specialise on the Tactical HM course, HM Advanced Survey Course or pursue PWO training.

Thank you for the Int knowledge. It's something that appeals although progression to FNO or SPEC N is also desirable! Although nailing the AIB would probably be a good start!

One more question is how many secondary duties does the average officer have? I met one who had 14! I can't remember all of them but is was on the HMS Scott and included the likes of education, entertainment and wine! I understand initially it is expected to take on the role of DO on your first job but I'm trying to remember them for the interview if asked.

Soleil - Yes thank you! I was looking at it this morning and It gave me a nervous pang!!
14 would be about right, especially for something like SCOTT where there aren't many Officers to go around. Spec N? Please leave this forum now, don't let the door hit you on the way out, and we shall never mention you again :D
Spec N?! Others may have different views, something along the line of sine qua non of Seaman Officers, higher failure rate then Perisher, Navigational Warfare; some may hold views that all you need to do is keep between the green and red cans, and it's not healthy (or desirable) to charge around in one of Her Majesty's Warships in very constrained waters at high speeds. The fact they can be utter cocks to junior OsOW on the bridge during OST may colour views as well....
I see! PNO is the first step once my foot is in the door although I shall remain "flexible in mind and flexible in method" when that does happen!
If you choose not to sub-specialise (i.e. not FC/MCD/Aircrew/Int) then it is highly likely you will do PNO, even as an HM; ideally you want to get a PNO recommend at IWO assessment and then go navigate a MCMV. It's a good course, that has changed for the better since I went to IWO.

Do you have any more info on the Intelligence specialization? I'm quite curious as I saw a profile on the RN website about an OOW1/MINTO but she only spoke of her watchkeeping job and not the intelligence bit! It's something I'm interested in but can't find anything about it? Is it a decent specialization or would something like MWO,FC,FNO etc benefit me more? Why would you not go beyond Lt Cdr?

Int has historically been the home of those who can't hack it in their source branch - failed Perishers, failed PWOs etc. This was a reflection of the RN's attitude to Int, and several attempts have been made to "professionalise" the area. This latest one draws people into Int at a much earlier age (i.e. as part of the IWO streaming process), and firmly established within the Warfare world, as well as other things that you don't need to worry about*.

In becoming part of the Warfare world it means that a fairly hard and fast rule** that to progress beyond Lt Cdr you must successfully complete PWO Course and do a full watch-keeping job as a PWO at sea. This holds true for FCs, MCDs, Navigators and WAFUs (especially if they want to drive ships), but for HM there is a slightly different route. If you want to become an Int Officer and keep moving you cannot think of it as the only job you will do; instead you must look to use your specialist skills and apply them to a wider Warfare world. This is what happens with nearly all PWOs - a PWO course will always have a wide mixture of backgrounds which can only add to your broader Warfare knowledge, and you will take that into your various jobs.

There is a perception among junior Watchkeepers that going Int means they never have to look out a bridge window again, and don't have to worry about becoming a PWO. For some reason they look at their future career path and simply decide they want to spend their time remaining until they leave pissing it up and avoiding going to sea. I would suggest that this attitude simply serves the Int sub-spec poorly, and we have missed a real chance in not instituting an aptitude test much like the RNR Int branch or MCDs/FCs/etc. It would also give potential Int Officers a true look at what they do - look at wide amounts of information and produce lots of briefs for a wider audience; emphatically not HUMINT source handling or non-source full spectrum Special Reconnaissance. The latter two are available to anyone within the RN on their CO's recommendation....

*This is not sneaky-beaky stuff, more process stuff within the RN that has actually added lots of Int jobs through-out the Fleet and various HQs.
**There are always exceptions, but I wouldn't bet on you being that exception....
It's interesting to read this Alfred because an Int Officer I met made his role sound far more more exciting!!

Also a bit off the thread but can you confirm please if this is correct (or am I going a bit too far in depth for the AIB?!)

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Everyone makes their job sound interesting cf every Loggie in the Fleet ;)

As for propulsion types, no idea if you do/don't need it for AIB, but here goes:

T22 They're all gone, I don't care!
T45 IEP - Integrated Electric Propulsion. Gas Turbines create power, which is then used to power electric motors. The GTs are not on the shaft line.
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