Historical Punishment (RN/RM)

maninblack

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#1
In looking at my Grandafther's history in the RMLI during WW1 there is a deduction of a good conduct badge in 1915 with the reason listed agaist it as ' "C" 10 Days '

Is this "Confined" for a minor transgression or is it more significant?

cheers from an Arrser.
 

tiddlyoggy

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#3
If the "c" is listed as the reason, then surely it categorises the offence and has nothing to do with the punishment? Where's SGtP when you need him? You can never find a copper when you want one.
 
#4
Not really.

I take it that it's the Service Certificate we're talking about here.

The details on said document are what would now be considered vague to say the least.

Offences have a consequential effect so, for instance, 'Cells' or 'Confined' or whatever it means may, in those days, have meant deprivation of a badge - therefore 'C' would be a valid 'reason'.
 
#6
The ten days cells was usually done onboard and the Good conduct badge
is taken as part of the punishment The yearly assessment of conduct is also graded as good instead of VG [very good]

There is usually a remarks column on the old type doc's that note
why the guy got cells !!
Most likely drunk on board or missing the ship/returning onboard late.


G .
 
#7
maninblack said:
In looking at my Grandafther's history in the RMLI during WW1 there is a deduction of a good conduct badge in 1915 with the reason listed agaist it as ' "C" 10 Days '

Is this "Confined" for a minor transgression or is it more significant?

cheers from an Arrser.
Hi M-i-B,

:idea: Have you thought about inquiring of the staff at here?:

http://www.royalmarinesmuseum.co.uk/index2.html

Most military Museum are experts at handling this type of fast ball,



Best of luck - I was 'marines, too...........

.........'kin Submarines, though :twisted:

Bob
 
#9
My SC has a 'D' for detention for the 28 I was 'awarded' in DQ's .
To confuse the matter, under Time Forfeited there are abbreviations thus

P - D - C - C.P. - A - F.P., - W.T., - Pay F., - U.L.

My yearly assessment dropped to 'Fair' also losing my first badge.
 

maninblack

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#10
Cheers, chaps. I may pop down to the RM Museum next week, it is only 1 mile down the road from me.

Continuing this theme does anyone know what "HB Ledger" was in respect of Eastney?
 

sweetpea

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#11
Maninblack,

Are you reading the information written in your Grandfathers service record correctly? :wink:

Are you sure that your Grandfather forfeited his Good Conduct Badge? Or did he actually forfeit 10 days service towards his Good Conduct Badge due to a Conduct issue?

Had he been confined it would have been listed as CB = confined to barracks, CP = confined to port, (these are the abbreviations used during WW1).
Had he been placed under arrest/in the cells it would state Cells in his service record.

As for HB Ledger, Eastney, it crossed my mind that it could be relating to the Howitzer Brigade which was at Eastney, although they were RMA :? so I now have my doubts.

In general: The Service Ledgers are about 3ft x 4ft, and they contain the service records for those who served on ships. A ledger was used because it was not practical to use a lot of paper onboard ship. The Ledger was kept at the servicemans Depot and would have been update constantly. Your Grandfather will be listed by his service number in the Ledger. I have no idea what the HB relates to, but I think somewhere written in your Grandfathers service record there will be a clue.

SP.
 

maninblack

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#13
sweetpea said:
Maninblack,

Are you reading the information written in your Grandfathers service record correctly? :wink:

Are you sure that your Grandfather forfeited his Good Conduct Badge? Or did he actually forfeit 10 days service towards his Good Conduct Badge due to a Conduct issue?

Had he been confined it would have been listed as CB = confined to barracks, CP = confined to port, (these are the abbreviations used during WW1).
Had he been placed under arrest/in the cells it would state Cells in his service record.

As for HB Ledger, Eastney, it crossed my mind that it could be relating to the Howitzer Brigade which was at Eastney, although they were RMA :? so I now have my doubts.

In general: The Service Ledgers are about 3ft x 4ft, and they contain the service records for those who served on ships. A ledger was used because it was not practical to use a lot of paper onboard ship. The Ledger was kept at the servicemans Depot and would have been update constantly. Your Grandfather will be listed by his service number in the Ledger. I have no idea what the HB relates to, but I think somewhere written in your Grandfathers service record there will be a clue.
SP.
Howitzer Brigade could make sense, he went from Eastney to the Royal Garrison Artillery. I was told that a fair proportion of RMLI served as gunners and that a lot of RMA served as infantry. Amongst other sailings he did serrve as a deck gunner on a submarine and served also as gun crew on HMS Q1.
 

maninblack

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#15
janner said:
maninblack said:
sweetpea said:
Maninblack,

Amongst other sailings he did serrve as a deck gunner on a submarine

SP.
Do you have any more details on this part of your post?
Absolutely no information whatsoever. The detachment does not show on his records but he ended up being treated for chlorine poisoning due to salt water on the batteries after being depth charged.
 

maninblack

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#17
Right, I have an answer for HB Ledger at Eastney.

Home Base Ledger; the list of men who are posted for UK deployment only. I will find out more about this in a week or so when I meet the archivist at Eastney.
 
#18
My grandfather in the RMA in 1891 was guilty of 'laughing in the ranks whilst another man was being spoken to'; punishment 3 days confined to barracks.

A cousin of mine served in the RN in the 1950s. He tells me that discipline was stricter for the marines than for the sailors. Thus a minor offence might lead to just a telling off in the Navy but in the Marines there would be a formal charge and punishment that would be in the man's record for ever more.
Any opinions on that?
 
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