HELP

robbo9

Midshipman
guys,

i need some advice, i have a place at uni to trian to be a pe teacher. but im also looking at joining the navy as a warafre speaclist or a om, and then go through as a pti. or possibly use my a-levels to trian as an officer after a few years.

would you go to uni or join navy straight up?
plus after say...10 years is there alot of paperwork involved if you were to follow the rank structure, or as an officer?
 
Navy has got to be the way to go, love it or hate it, you will never regret the decision to join up. Take the basic trining with a pinch of salt and look forward to a great career. It will be easy enough to tranfer to officer (the technical name in the RN is pig or grunter), but it remains to be seen if you will still want to do this once you are serving. If you do well in your chosen branch you should have the opportunity of fairly rapid advancement to a senior rating that will afford you more respect and job satisfaction than being a seaman officer (bit of a non job really). Unless of course you have the quals to be an engineering officer, but then again if you like technical stuff, as an engineering officer you probably won't do much more than dismantle your propelling pencil...
Seriously though, go for it, delay no more get into that blue suit and spend the rest of your life with a feeling of superiority that can only come from being the best of the best.
 

PompeySailor

Lantern Swinger
Starting pay as a teacher is what, £21K, rising to perhaps £35K after six years if you go to the accelerated pay scales?

If your A levels are good, go Officer. Head towards the Seaman branch, and you can move into lots of other work (not just Bridge watchkeeping as some would have you believe!). Big drive in the RN is for fit people to do work of a more interesting nature, which also has the benefit of attracting extra pay and leave. We are sending people all over the world as part of multinational forces, UN observers, part of Purple Forces, etc.

Seen lots of people come in as JRs with the intention of going Officer, then getting waylaid once they discover beer and birds!

Go and chat to a Careers Office about being an Officer - you might also be interested in the Bursary schemes as well!
 

robbo9

Midshipman
cheers guys, very helpful

but arent offciers...looked upon being 'snobs' becasue i come form the slum of portsmouth. i want to be one of the lads, but with a bit of repsobility and specialisation
 
The only officers looked upon as snobs are the ones who pretend to be something that they are not. There are admittedly a lot of those. You will be expected to talk and act a certain way which might not allow you to be yourself. Most officers will admit to this if you ask them off the record. There are some (mostly but not all SD ((from the ranks)), that are genuine and it is these few good men who are the most respected.
As a matter of interest, are we now the only navy left that has stewards to serve the wardroom? Surely the utmost in snobbery.
 

PompeySailor

Lantern Swinger
Officers are not looked upon as snobs, only by those of limited intelligence and who want to be seen as one of the lads or out of jealousy. They are virtually never called "pigs" these days except by those who know no better. We take the vast majority of the Upper Deck from the Lower Deck these days (ie ex-ratings). The ones who have ideas above their station are picturised quickly, and realise early in their careers that a Senior Rate with a sense of humour has the ability to put them in their place. They learn to listen and learn, but to be honest, most of them pick that up from the Instructing Staff at Dartmouth (many of which are SD).

Stewards will not be around much longer. Allegedly. But I don't fancy being the one to tell the Killick Chef what his new duties are.....
 
I that a gen dit? Are they really going to bin stewards? If they do that will be great. Mixed canteens have to be the way ahead, works very well in civvy street too. I can't think of any reason why the ranks need to seperate to eat.
 
I almost forgot. I am not trying to be controversial here, but the officers most certainly are called pigs by the majority. Just a term like dabber stoker and pinky.
 
PompeySailor said:
Officers are not looked upon as snobs, only by those of limited intelligence and who want to be seen as one of the lads or out of jealousy. They are virtually never called "pigs" these days except by those who know no better. We take the vast majority of the Upper Deck from the Lower Deck these days (ie ex-ratings). The ones who have ideas above their station are picturised quickly, and realise early in their careers that a Senior Rate with a sense of humour has the ability to put them in their place. They learn to listen and learn, but to be honest, most of them pick that up from the Instructing Staff at Dartmouth (many of which are SD).

Stewards will not be around much longer. Allegedly. But I don't fancy being the one to tell the Killick Chef what his new duties are.....
Of course some officers will be snobs, just as some senior rates will be and some ABs too. You don't have to go to public school to be a snob, the local secondary modern will do just as well. In my time a lot of the General List entry we ex public school and yes some of them were downright snobs, but in reality most weren't. By just the same token I can remeber SD officers who behaved as if getting a gold ring had elevated them to the peerage.

At the end of the day they are all people and suffer from the same faults as people do. In general all try to do their job well, some are better than others, and most of the time the system weeds out the worst.

My recomendation to any contemplating a naval career would be that if you have the qualifications and ability to do direct officer entry go for it, don't try to work your way up, if for no other reason it shows a lack of self confidence, and that in the long term may well work against you. Equally if you don't try you will never know if you could have made it.

Peter
 

PompeySailor

Lantern Swinger
Lingyai said:
I that a gen dit? Are they really going to bin stewards? If they do that will be great. Mixed canteens have to be the way ahead, works very well in civvy street too. I can't think of any reason why the ranks need to seperate to eat.
Don't expect mixed canteens, just a little more self-sufficiency.

There are rumblings regarding this new accommodation as well...if the JRs can have a guest to stay for 4 nights out of 31, can that guest be an officer or a SR? Can the SRs have a JR to stay when they are in a long term relationship? Do the ranks and rates need to stay separate to preserve discipline and military lines of authority, or will people still be able to respect each other once they have seen the Jimmy eating spaghetti? The rules of separation are being challenged - now they have to consider whether "Sharon from Leigh Park" can be accommodated for a weekend of shagging, but LOM(C) Jones should not be afforded the same level of respect. Can you tell the JRs that you respect them, but not enough to let them stay overnight with their husband/fiancee in the SRs Mess...?
 
PompeySailor said:
Don't expect mixed canteens, just a little more self-sufficiency.

There are rumblings regarding this new accommodation as well...if the JRs can have a guest to stay for 4 nights out of 31, can that guest be an officer or a SR? Can the SRs have a JR to stay when they are in a long term relationship? Do the ranks and rates need to stay separate to preserve discipline and military lines of authority, or will people still be able to respect each other once they have seen the Jimmy eating spaghetti? The rules of separation are being challenged - now they have to consider whether "Sharon from Leigh Park" can be accommodated for a weekend of shagging, but LOM(C) Jones should not be afforded the same level of respect. Can you tell the JRs that you respect them, but not enough to let them stay overnight with their husband/fiancee in the SRs Mess...?
From my now quite out of date experience wardroom mealtimes were a time to discuss ships business, especially at sea and without making another space and time available (not practical in most ships) there would be a real loss in efficiency if the officers had to share mealtimes with all. I suspect the same would be very true with respect to the senior rates mess as well.

As to letting any one bonk off with any one in their shore accomodation, my first response is what they do inthe privacy of their own cabin is their business. I am not that fussed about the stable relationship bit either, how the hell do you get into a stable relationship with some one without sleeping with them. Of course the problem is that it is often not private who you are bonking off with, and that is as often as not where the problem arises. Now a muture organisation aught to be able to cope with the problems, and organisations don't get much more mature than the RN.

Peter
 

silverfox

War Hero
Moderator
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Going back to original question - Join as an officer if you can, don't rush in and then hope. It has been one of the biggest agonies of my career seeing the hurdles we put in the way of people coming up through the ranks - if you have A levels and pass a few simple tests at the Careers Office then you can go to AIB, as an OM or whatever you are at the mercy of the system, the quality of reports from your DO, the mood your CO is in etc... I have seen some real quality lose heart through the length of time it takes, and its enough to make you weep. As far as the snob issue - in my last ship it was sometime difficult to tell them apart ashore in terms of dress, but the RN depends so much upon professional ability that if you demonstrate that to your subordinates (and vice versa of course) then a bond of trust builds up between you and your team (Bridge/Ops Room/SCC etc) that you won't find laid down in any management book.
 
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