Help reading naval record please

soleil

War Hero
Martin

Further to my earlier posts, I do think that it would be best to apply to the Ministry of Defence for the records at this juncture, as they won't have been made available to any other source.

These are the forms which you need:



I would get to work on this pretty quickly, partly because there may be a delay in receiving the records, partly because there is a sensitivity in this case and partly because of the needs of his son to be able to see this information.
 

martin saul

Midshipman
Hi I've not spoken to him myself it's been though a friend who researches old Aston Martins I normally help him with the research on the owners while he researchers the history of the car he came across this chap and got talking to him as he new of the owner and of the car he was very interested in what we were doing and very helpful with the information on the car, then he asked if it was possible for us to help him look into his dad, he was born April 1938 so he may not have any memory of his dad, I'm going to write up all the bits that everyone has helped with and pass it on it looks to be £30 to apply for the records, one bit I'm still unsure of on the record I have top right "Cause" stoker 2nd class it looks like CKX 83625 not sure what that is, is it a new service number? For the Royal naval or is it code for a boat? Thanks Martin
 

soleil

War Hero
Hi I've not spoken to him myself it's been though a friend who researches old Aston Martins I normally help him with the research on the owners while he researchers the history of the car he came across this chap and got talking to him as he new of the owner and of the car he was very interested in what we were doing and very helpful with the information on the car, then he asked if it was possible for us to help him look into his dad, he was born April 1938 so he may not have any memory of his dad, I'm going to write up all the bits that everyone has helped with and pass it on it looks to be £30 to apply for the records, one bit I'm still unsure of on the record I have top right "Cause" stoker 2nd class it looks like CKX 83625 not sure what that is, is it a new service number? For the Royal naval or is it code for a boat? Thanks Martin

It's his new service number, Martin.

I will check again, but I'm pretty sure that C/KX indicates a Chatham based stoker.

It will help the people who will provide the service record if this number is written on the application form.

Please be sure to convey the information that, because the later record is a WW2 record, it is only available on application to the MoD. The WW2 records aren't made public because some of the people whose records these are are still alive.
 

soleil

War Hero
Martin

Something I think may be the case is that the story may only be half true.

I was the main researcher for a WW1 Research project which involved some 150 families and many of them had stories to tell which had been passed from one person to another. It wasn't uncommon for the stories to have lost a little bit of accuracy along the way, sometimes the stories were based on a few real facts and someone's conjecture.

In this instance, I would imagine that certain things were true; Leslie's boat was HMS Pandora, he did serve during the Second World War and he then spent some years living in South Africa.

HMS Pandora seems to have been off the coast of North Africa rather than South Africa.

I am wondering whether this is about a sensitive situation and it struck me that perhaps Leslie met a woman from South Africa and wanted to start a new life after the War.
 

martin saul

Midshipman
Yeah I think anything like that is possible he was from Essex he married Essex in January 1937 the son was born in April 1938 in Essex then when the 1939 register was taken in September his wife and child was in shaftsbury living with a married couple his wife is showing as an unpaid domestic his wife then remarried in 1946 back in Essex and had a second child October 1950
 

soleil

War Hero
If his wife re-married in 1946 and given that we know that she wasn't widowed, the marriage must have ended in divorce.

My guess is that he met someone else in somewhere like Gibraltar, perhaps a nurse from South Africa and asked his wife for a divorce. The little boy was very small at the time and this is not a situation which could be explained to a small child; given that he probably did go to live in South Africa, I would suggest that something was put together for the little boy along the lines of "Daddy has been a bit poorly but now he's better and has gone to live somewhere new called South Africa, but you can still write to him".

I can't imagine that Edith wanted to ever discuss the details with her son. She wouldn't have wanted to say that he had left the family for another woman for her son's sake; I think that she did want to explain that Leslie was in South Africa though and thought it best to say that he was there because HMS Pandora was. The truth isn't something you could really explain to someone who was only 4 at the time.
 

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