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Help - Former Submariner turned pongo

ceeb

Newbie
All,

I'm currently serving in Camp Bastion on Herrick. I'm a former submariner LWEM current working as a CMT for Army. I know I'm not the only person to cross over to the dark side.

Is there any one out there that knows if I can where my dolphins on an Army uniform. If possible does anyone know the correct Queens Regs Number/paragraph that allows me to. (so I can shove it up my SSMs nose)

I would be eternally grateful.

Thanks in advance.

Craig.
 
Your dolphins are an official award the same as a medal ( I think thay are classed as a medal)

you can wear any medals that you were awarded during yur naval service

so you should be able to still wear your dolphins

I don't know if their will be anything to cover it in QRRN's

Hopefully someone else will have a definative answer
 
I didn't think they were an award the same as a medal.
They are the same as a marksmans badge etc as far as I know. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way trying to belittle your dolphins mate, but they may come under the rules regarding the wearing of any other badge and not the rules regarding the wearing of medals.
I don't honestly see why you can't wear them mate, sounds like a bit of jealousy to me :)
Keep your head down btw ;)
 

ceeb

Newbie
Cheers for the reply guys and I think you right its jealousy. I have a CPOMT here helping me plus a 2.5 ringer submariner helping sort this out.

I just want to sew the clothes ones on. Army says no. But Navy guys are like "feck you earned them boy"

If they are in regs someone will know, I cant be the first to ask this question.

Craig. AKA Ceeb. CPL Brydon. Hospital Sqn, Herrick
 
You'll need to ask Deeps when he returns from pongoing abroad... However I suggest the Mods transfer this to the Submariners branch forum. I'm sure Maxi will know the answer.
 
Anchor_Faced_Jack said:
Your dolphins are an official award the same as a medal ( I think thay are classed as a medal)...

You get a medal in the Navy for avoiding sunlight? ;) :lol:

I thought they were a badge indicating that the wearer was trained in the mysteries of the Deep and had passed their probationary spell in Neptune's Realm and were now part of God's Second Chosen Elite. His First Chosen obviously being the KGs (Knights of the G-Spot). :)
 
ceeb said:
Cheers for the reply guys and I think you right its jealousy. I have a CPOMT here helping me plus a 2.5 ringer submariner helping sort this out.

I just want to sew the clothes ones on. Army says no. But Navy guys are like "feck you earned them boy"

If they are in regs someone will know, I cant be the first to ask this question.

Craig. AKA Ceeb. CPL Brydon. Hospital Sqn, Herrick

What do you mean by sewing the cloth ones on.???????
I know they did a trial with cloth 'Dolphins' but as far as I know only the issue Dolphins are legal .



:nemo: :nemo:
 

stumpy

War Hero
As far as I know they are classed as a medal so I would guess that they should be worn on your number 1s (or whatever the Army call them!).

Would you wear your medals on your combats? I guess not.
 

ceeb

Newbie
Guy's,

Been out the Navy loop for a while, I'm currently at bastion working with a guy thats got some cloth ones sew on his desert 95s. Just wanted to know If I was entitled to wear them as well.

I do wear them on No. ones it always turns heads and always stops people to question them.

Cheers for the replies tho.
 
They are changing the rules to allow Submariners to wear their dolphins on 3's (white) shirts and their is talk of a sew on version for 4's. Its all in aid of promoting the submarine service and giving the young submariners some pride.

But I've seen nothing in black and white
 
Contributor Mode

Looking at the question the other way. If I was a qualified RAF Pilot then for what ever strange reason joined the RN on the lower deck, when I went to Raleigh for my part one training and then onwards would I be allowed to wear my pilots wings on my No4's, No3's, No2's No1's C95's etc for the rest of my career. I don't think so some how.

IMHO opinion you can wear then on No1's when on parade or ashore. Other than that it is just part of thew Boy Scout Badge culture.

Nutty
 
thingy said:
You'll need to ask Deeps when he returns from pongoing abroad... However I suggest the Mods transfer this to the Submariners branch forum. I'm sure Maxi will know the answer.

Sorry Steve, I know a lot, some of it is sometimes useful, but I do not know the answer to this one, Dolphins were still relatively new when I left.

I do seem to remember thought That Deeps does wear his so as suggested he is closer to the fount of all knowledge on this one. I do agree though that officially it is only the tin ones that are allowed, 70s cost saving, almost every one wanted cloth ones with gold wire and every thing to be worn where aircrew wings were worn, but this was ruled out on cost.
 

hobbit

War Hero
Perhaps another example of a need to enforce or create proper control and protocol for all medals,decorations and badges throughout the entire armed services . There should be no doubt and everyone will know exactly what to do .Even if they don't agree with the rules at least there will be some. No more un-official ships badges or ' bought ' medals of any kind. It is an important enough issue to be well organised imo.
 

skyvet

GCM
Slightly off-subject I admit, but I remember being drafted to Collingrad for a course along with a few other sun-dodgers. and us being told to remove our HM Submarines cap tally and replace it with an HMS Collingwood one.
We refused, to comply, and eventually won the right to wear our own tallies, as they had been earned, not issued. I seem to remember that the discussion went right to the top (admiralty) before being resolved.
 

hobbit

War Hero
skyvet said:
Slightly off-subject I admit, but I remember being drafted to Collingrad for a course along with a few other sun-dodgers. and us being told to remove our HM Submarines cap tally and replace it with an HMS Collingwood one.
We refused, to comply, and eventually won the right to wear our own tallies, as they had been earned, not issued. I seem to remember that the discussion went right to the top (admiralty) before being resolved.

Right on topic Skyvet and another example of the need for ' rules '. When on a course the SM cap tally should be worn without question. The Dolphins should also be worn by any serving submariner , again a need for a firm guide in these matters but I fear PITW applies
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Hobbit: The rules about awards, decorations, etc., are clearly laid out in the appropriate publications, but it seems most people chose to interpret them in their own way. Those of us who do try to maintain a sense of uniformity are in the minority, and are criticised by those - sometimes senior personnel - who don't want to 'rock the boat'... for example, I saw a land-based Submariner wearing his dolphins on his No. 3s (white shirt) last week. His answer? "Well we all do it in Faslane!" Well shipmate, we're not in feckin' Faslane now, are we..?!

:evil:
 

hobbit

War Hero
That's good to hear and I don't envy anyone trying to apply any rules if there is no support from the ' top '. The ' Dolphins ' and cap tallies seem to need action but my main concern has been the ships' badges and the home made jobs . Even there it seems there is a ' system ' but as you've pointed out , a thankless ( impossible ?) task to enforce the rules . Are the rules easy to look at somewhere as a point of reference seems a good idea for serving personel , and the 'Dolphins ' seem to crop up often.
:thumright:
 
hobbit said:
skyvet said:
Slightly off-subject I admit, but I remember being drafted to Collingrad for a course along with a few other sun-dodgers. and us being told to remove our HM Submarines cap tally and replace it with an HMS Collingwood one.
We refused, to comply, and eventually won the right to wear our own tallies, as they had been earned, not issued. I seem to remember that the discussion went right to the top (admiralty) before being resolved.

Right on topic Skyvet and another example of the need for ' rules '. When on a course the SM cap tally should be worn without question. The Dolphins should also be worn by any serving submariner , again a need for a firm guide in these matters but I fear PITW applies

Contributor Mode

Hobbit you are right on there "a serving submariner" this guy is now a serving Pongo not a serving submariner. Wear the awards of the service in which you serve not them of others.

Nutty
 

exile1

Lantern Swinger
It works the other way round, The first tel [A Geordie btw and well decorated] to do the jump course in WWII when the COBU's were formed said he would do the parachuting if he got paid 2 shillings like the Army guys [Jack sticking up for his rights again]. It went all the way to the top and eventually Mountbatten himself approved. He wore the Red Beret and I believe like those following him over the years kept the wings on his pussers rigs when back in General Service. With so much being tri-service these days, I think that badges gained should be worn where appropriate, even if one looked like a boy scout when in mess dress like I did !!!!!
 
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