Fucksake, that topic turned into a pile of shite, I'm ashamed. Seadog quite correctly culled it. Now I'm one of the biggest twats on here but, Jesus, there's thread drift, thread drift some more, ignorant thread drift and then plain old cnutish behaviour. I've been guilty of all of them but I'd like to think I haven't done it on such an important issue. Levers, can you please explain why you are at HC, you are soaking up sympathy faster than you are generating it. Yes war is bad, people get hurt. we want to help. You obviously dont have a chip on your shoulder but the whole bag of spuds, again we want to help. I dont want a verbal sparring match, what's your beef mate?