Has Israel Blown it in Gaza

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  1. Bearing in mind the bad PR coming from attacking UN schools/places of safety, UN food convoys and accusations of war crime by the Red Cross and the latest UN resolution is the Israeli army going to end up appearing to fail as it did in Lebanon
     
  2. Excuse my cynicism, but what better way of training troops than an actual conflict! What have they lost, very little - gains - experience and sharpened their war machine.

    Israel was crap at urban warfare, they have trained for years and now put that training into practice. (Gaza).

    Maybe Syria and Lebanon should consider their positions now!!!!!!!
     
  3. What have they lost? Until the last go in Lebanon the Israeli army was considered invincible, but they were perceived to get a serious bloody nose from Hezbollah, fail again in Gaza and they will lose even more street cred coupled with a tab as war criminals.
     
  4. Israel have definately lost the PR battle and havent made any new friends in the rest of the world.
    I can't believe that the Israelis thought the people of Gaza would blame Hamas for the deaths of their civilians and not Israel.
     
  5. Same old same old from the IDF… and the Golani Brigade are once again the star players…

    Schools being bombed, UN convoys fired upon after being promised safe conduct by the IDF, Red Cross ambulances being fired upon after being promised safe conduct by the IDF, and the latest appears to be that 110 civilians were herded into a house in Zeitoun which the IDF then shelled, and surprise, surprise, ambulances sent to rescue survivors was shot at....

    Once is an accident, twice is coincidence, three times is a habit…
     
  6. Agreed.
    I still wonder what the Israeli decision makers military and political are thinking, or indeed what have they been smoking. They must surely think they are immune to everything and invincible.
     
  7. No matter what the IDF gets up to they will never win, as their dubious tactics merely serve as a recruiting sergeant for Hammas fighters and other of that ilk. This catastrophe also serves to sharpen Muslim hatred towards the USA and any other western country perceived to be Israeli supporters.
     

  8. The key issue here is the Golani Brigade. They are the crack unit of the IDF and have a lot of very extremist and devout Jews as members. They have a reputation within the IDF as being pretty idiologically hardcore and hard to handle. They are a law unto themselves and routinely mutiny when they don't agree with the ROE's or their Officers. They are like a Jewish SS unit… Idiologically sound and totally uncaring of the rights of those that are outside their idiology.
     
  9. Interesting to see that in the latest UN resolution...the USA did not use the Veto, they abstained.
     
  10. Most countries try to keep their religious exremists away from matches.

    The Israelis give theirs tanks and artillery.

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  11. Are they off to a toga party?
     
  12. And you belive this crap? Every left wing nutter seems to be in Gaza right now writing fairy tales.Well all except the rent-a-mob anti everything wombles acting up in Loandon.Here is a different side to the story.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,477881,00.html
     
  13. If your going to cite another opinion at least try not to get it from Fox fcuking news owned by shrub et al knobber!!

    The last time i looked Doctors were there to treat the injured not become alledged apologists!!
     
  14. You must try a little better than quoting Faux News. Even Pat Buchanan a renowned right-wing suppprter of Israel is finally telling the truth about the latest Israeli pogrom.

    Here's Reuters take on it with a report that the UN wants War-Crime investigations into Israels actions:-

    QUOTE:

    Navi Pillay, United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, singled out the killing of 30 Palestinian civilians in a home in central Gaza that was shelled by Israeli forces, and their alleged neglect of young, starving children whose mothers died in the attack.

    "I am concerned with violations of international law. Incidents such as this must be investigated because they display elements of what could constitute war crimes," Pillay told Reuters in an interview.

    A U.N. aid agency reported on Friday that the 30 Palestinians were killed this week when the Israeli army sheltered 110 civilians in a house in the Zeitoun neighbourhood in central Gaza, later hit by shells.



    LINK

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/UKNews1/idUKTRE50851M20090109


    There is little surprise that Israel tried hard and long to keep any reporters, any representative of the ICRC, any UN aid agencies and any independent witnesses out of Gaza.

    And you can try another link directly to the Israeli press:-

    ISRAELI QUOTE. MY BOLD:



    Human rights groups demand medical access to injured Palestinians

    By Amira Hass

    Tags: Israel News


    The High Court of Justice is scheduled to review today a petition served by eight Israeli human rights groups who asked the court to order the Israel Defense Forces to vouch for the safety of medical teams in Gaza and allow injured people to be evacuated to medical facilities.

    The Red Cross, meanwhile, has accused Israel of delaying ambulance access to the Gaza Strip, and demanded it grant safe access for Palestinian Red Crescent ambulances to return to evacuate more wounded without being fired on by Israeli soldiers.

    Red Cross relief workers said that on Wednesday they found four small children sitting next to their dead mothers and other corpses in a house in a part of Gaza City that had been bombed by Israeli forces. "They were too weak to stand up on their own. One man was also found alive, too weak to stand up. In all there were at least 12 corpses lying on mattresses," a Red Cross statement read.
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    In another house, the team found 15 survivors of Israeli shelling including several wounded, according to the Red Cross. Three corpses were found in another home.

    Israeli soldiers posted some 80 meters away ordered the rescue team to leave the area which they refused to do, the statement said.

    The Red Cross team that found the survivors and bodies sought to evacuate them three days earlier, on January 3, but had been denied access. But even after ambulances made past the IDF post, according to the Red Cross, they could not enter the neighborhood because of "large earth walls erected by the Israeli army." Therefore, the children and the wounded had to be taken to the ambulances on a donkey cart.



    LINK:

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054135.html

    RM
     
  15. [quote="Bergen"



    You must try a little better than quoting Faux News. [/quote]

    Stop this telling me to do better. The wogs have stated their intent to take Israeli soldiers as hostages,this is a priority for them. They have always been prepared to do the suicide bomb thing so if I was an Israeli soldier I would leave all the casualties to the wonderful UN to deal with.Be thankful that the peace-loving Islamists and their Iranian paymasters have their sights on Israel right now for when they perfect their tactics our troops in Afwanistan are next on the list.And if Israel does not take out the bloomin Iranian nuke sites quite soon then get yer hard hat on.Why do they have missiles that can reach Europe? are they going to send us food parcels by air? Appeasing these mossies is making it easy for them.
     
  16. Stop this telling me to do better. The wogs have stated their intent to take Israeli soldiers as hostages,this is a priority for them. They have always been prepared to do the suicide bomb thing so if I was an Israeli soldier I would leave all the casualties to the wonderful UN to deal with.Be thankful that the peace-loving Islamists and their Iranian paymasters have their sights on Israel right now for when they perfect their tactics our troops in Afwanistan are next on the list.And if Israel does not take out the bloomin Iranian nuke sites quite soon then get yer hard hat on.Why do they have missiles that can reach Europe? are they going to send us food parcels by air? Appeasing these mossies is making it easy for them.[/quote]

    Iran test fired a prototype extended range Shahab 3 rocket that could reach Israel.

    The Israelis freaked and the right-wing noise machine cranked up the volume that shock horror the Iranians had a missile that could reach Yurp.

    Well theoretically it could. Parts of Greece, Serbia, Romania and Belarus.

    A lot of people who don't believe all that they read in the press understood that.

    As for much try better - I will withdraw that comment. You must get out more and try a LOT better.

    QUICK TIP - The use of the word WOG is frowned upon. Even the rest of Israel's amen corner on Rum Ration disguise their racialism a little better.

    RM
     
  17. Opinions mean fcuk all, quotes mean fcuk all, women children being killed is what really matters. Volunteers required to help the civillians any of you feckers prepared to help?? nah didn't think so we never do until its too late then we blame every fecker else - still we have worse nightmares with the credit crunch how we gonna make the payments on the Volvo??
    Be ashamed be very ashamed.
     
  18. Do you mean Europe? American slang is a bit dificult for us Europeans to understand at times.
    PS sorry about the WOG mention,I keep getting flashbacks to Aden and other places in the pre-PC days,what are they called now ? I really must keep up with the jargon.
     
  19. I am more concerned with the women and children of any man anywhere who has put on a uniform to defend HIS family,not those of some terrorist who uses his 4 wives and 40 children as a bloody weapon. How many times have tears been shed in this forum for the victims of suicide bombers ,[ killed by the very same Islamic murder machine as is now acting up in Gaza?] Men and women from our armed forces killed by ladies in vests or by roadside bombs,are their familes of less value than some raghead's who decides to put his in front of the bullets ?
    Hamarse ,taliban,hisbollox,alqueda all names for the same swine trained in the same camps and paid by the same nutters. The Israeli soldiers are facing the same shitheads as the troops in afwanistan,face up to that.
    The innocent victims of all this islamic shit are women and children who are only one stepup from the rest us infidels and are treated with the same contempt.Think of honour killings and acid attacks and maybe the mind-set of the proud moslem male will take on a new perspective.
     

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