Happy 80th Birthday

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  1. Ariel Sharon was 80 years old today. May he live for many many more years and have many many more birthdays :thumright:

  2. dribbling into his soup!!

  3. Dam !! And I thought this was a birfdee greeting for that world class, all round entertainer :

    Sir Brucie (Nice to see you....) Forsyth ;)
  4. sgtpepperband

    sgtpepperband War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    Yeah, sounds like a nice guy... :roll:

    Amnesty International urges investigation of Ariel Sharon

    "Amnesty International welcomes actions taken in accordance with international law to combat impunity," said the organisation. "We support the judicial investigation into Ariel Sharon's responsibility with regard to the Sabra and Shatila massacre."

    The complaint against Sharon was first lodged with the Belgian Public Prosecutor's Office in June 2001. Ariel Sharon was Minister of Defence, with overall responsibility for the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF), at the time of the 1982 massacre of Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps on the outskirts of Beirut. The IDF allowed the Lebanese Phalange militia to enter the camps where the killing of hundreds, mostly Palestinian refugees, continued for at least 30 hours. The complainants, a group of 23 Lebanese and Palestinians, had filed the case under Belgian legislation enacted in 1993 and 1999 which allows Belgian courts to prosecute foreigners for certain offences committed abroad, including genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity. However, the resulting investigation was suspended by the investigating magistrate in early September 2001 until doubts about the legal validity of the procedure were resolved.

    Amnesty International calls on states to ensure prompt, thorough and independent investigations wherever allegations of crimes under international law are made. If such an investigation shows there is enough evidence for a prosecution, then, in accordance with international law which allows the national courts of any state to try people accused of such crimes, regardless of the nationality of the alleged perpetrators or victims and regardless of where the crimes were committed, Amnesty International calls on states to bring the accused to trial or extradite them to another country for trial, provided certain safeguards are met. No one may be extradited to a country which cannot assure that any trial on such charges meets international standards for fairness and does not result in the imposition of the death penalty or other cruel, inhuman or degrading punishment.

    The lawyer representing Israel argued that Belgium lacks the legal authority to try Ariel Sharon on charges relating to the 1982 massacre. Among her arguments the lawyer stated that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has immunity as a head of government; the case had already been considered in Israel by the Kahan Commission of Inquiry, which was a judicial commission; the 1993 law cannot be used retroactively; and the case has no connection with Belgium. A Brussels public prosecutor rejected the defence arguments and said that the case should go ahead. The court hearing due to start on 3 October will rule on the legality of the proceedings against Ariel Sharon in Belgium, not on the content of the case against him.

    Amnesty International has welcomed Belgium's universal jurisdiction laws and the 27 August 2001 statements attributed to Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt voicing support for the legislation and suggesting that it be extended to the entire European Union.

    The first case involving the exercise of universal jurisdiction to come to trial in Belgium resulted in the conviction in June 2001 of four Rwandan nationals for war crimes committed in 1994. Amnesty International welcomed this judgement as a significant step forward in the use of universal jurisdiction, an essential tool in the struggle against impunity.

    A number of criminal complaints have been lodged with the Belgian courts against leaders and prominent members of past and present governments. In addition to Ariel Sharon, these have included: former Chilean President General Augusto Pinochet; former Speaker of Parliament and President of the Islamic Republic of Iran Hojjatoleslam Ali Akbar Rafsanjani; former Moroccan Minister of Interior Driss Basri; former Foreign Minister Abdoulaye Yerodia Ndombasi and several other government ministers of the Democratic Republic of the Congo; President Paul Kagame of Rwanda; former President Hissene Habre of Chad; and President Saddam Hussein of Iraq.


    The principle of universal jurisdiction permits the national courts of any state to try people accused of crimes under international law, including war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide as well as torture, extrajudicial executions and "disappearances," regardless of the nationality of the alleged perpetrators or victims and regardless of where the crimes were committed.

    In 1983 the official Israeli Commission of Inquiry into the Events at the Refugee Camps in Beirut concluded that Minister of Defence Ariel Sharon had "disregarded the danger of acts of vengeance and bloodshed by Phalangists... failed to take this danger into account when he decided to have the Phalangists enter the camps...[and had not ordered] appropriate measures for preventing or reducing the danger of massacre as a condition for the Phalangists' entry into the camps." The commission recommended that "the Minister of Defence draw the appropriate personal conclusions arising out of the defects revealed with regard to the manner in which he discharged the duties of his office." Ariel Sharon resigned from his position as Minister of Defence following publication of the Commission's report in 1983. In February 2001 Ariel Sharon was elected Prime Minister of Israel; he took office in March.

  5. Is this a bite? There's good and bad on both sides of the Arab-Israel situation but for me Sharon's very firmly on the bad side. I couldn't care less if he never sees another birthday (and that goes for the 'bad' on the Palestinian side too.)
  6. SgtPepperband sounds quite upset at the 'alleged' accusations against Ariel Sharom and I don't quite understand his reasoning. First and foremost General's don't get to that heady position by being nice guys. Generals throughout history, Alexander,Cromwell,Washington, Haige, McArthur, Montgomery, Patton, Westmoreland et al were not nice people by any stretch of the imagination otherwise they would not have been as effective or successful as they were during their military careers. It brings to mind the quote by George Orwell : " We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. "

    Since the partition granted by the United Nations after WWII , Israel has been in a continual state of war with its surrounding neighbour states since the international mandate was passed. Are they reasonably supposed to roll over to a group of fanatical bone idle Arabs in the name of decency and fair play. I don't think so. They have turned that barren plot of land called Israel into a productive garden by the sweat of their brows and their own practical ingenuity. They are also prepared to defend it at all costs and who could reasonably blame them? Are they supposed hand it over piecemeal to a work-shy lethargic people who would almost certainly allow it to return to the sand pit it once was?

    Ari Sharom was basically a warrior and, as such, understood his enemy, who in turn only really understood cold steel,violence and brute force. Perhaps if the West had practiced a little more of it earlier we wouldn't be in the political quagmire we are in right now. At least the Israeli's have the courage of their own convictions and are prepared to take positive action against their agressors. The Human Rights and Amnesty International brigades should try living on the front line in someone elses shoes for a while, rather than pontificating whilst ensconced in their comfortable air conditioned offices in London, Geneva or Brussels so far away from any real action.

    Red Sailor
  7. LOL and I'm 50 tomorrow - who would you rather give a big wet kiss to Berg ?

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  8. I think this one has all been discussed before somewhere on the forum.

    Anyway better get my two-pennyworth in.

    The Isreali's aren't the good guys -its just that the media tend to favour them as such .

    In the time after the WW2 period the Isreali ''terrorists'' murdered and worse British troops trying to police the British Palestine . The initial influx to the mandated territory was previously agreed and the Jews decided to
    flood the area with immigrants .
    Doing that they displaced the genuine Palestinian's and began to expand the original stated area's --by placing communes on obvious Palestinian /Arab owned land.

    At the moment they are trying to attract more world jewish people to migrate to Isreal .

    The displaced Arabs and Palestinians understandable weren't /aren't
    pleased .They are still attempting to get there lands back .

    The present situation with the palestine arabs is that Isreal has them in a
    enclosed ghetto where Isreal controls utilities and food supplies.

    :nemo: :nemo:
  9. Good job your Birthday is tommorrow--it could have been a day later 29th

    then you would only get a birthday every 4 years . :dwarf: :dwarf:

    Happy birfday any way Rivet

    :nemo: :nemo:
  10. ta Greenie - giz a spark :)
  11. Happy Birthday GR............................ have a great day :thumright: Big Wet Sloppy Kiss for you :w00t: :w00t: :w00t:

  12. Ta B - it's the only one I'll get - much appreciated xx
  13. Rivet should have said hugs and kisses -av a nice day anyway

    Dunno about sparks you might get a flash heheh!!

    :nemo: :nemo:
  14. Greenie,
    I quite agree that the partition was a very ill-considered decision in the first place putting all the parties in an invidious position.I also agree the Stern gang and their cohorts killed British soldiers on their way to becoming a state. But that is also true of the IRA and they don't seem to have come out of it too badly judging by the power sharing they now enjoy in NI. Most political struggles start with bullets before the ballot box is finally accepted.

    But history has put the modern Israelis where they are now; surrounded by countries that bore them no goodwill before the expansion and always wanted them all dead. At least they have a framework of government and democracy which is more than can be said for their neighbours (with the possible exception of Jordan). Jerusalem and the West Bank are always going to be religious hotbeds to Jew and Arab alike and I don't see or pretend know the answer to that one.Regarding the utilities and food,well they too are weapons to be used by the Israelis to use as they see fit to keep the situation in check.

    Love them or hate them, if they weren't there the Middle East would still blow like a volcano. Too many zealots and fanatical religious factions that would turn upon each other at the least excuse to achieve their own agendas.

    Red Sailor
  15. Redsailor

    A democratic state that indulges in terrorism as a way of controlling those it doesn't like is no better than a non democratic state that does the same, both are equally despicable. Democracy does not absolve them from their crimes. Having said that the arab terrorists are no better, a pox on both their houses.

    On a more pleasant subject, Happy birthday GR, I hope you enjoy this one greatly and have many more
  16. 1 Happy Birthday GR. Next stop KOS Club. :thumright:

    2 Maxi, fighting fire with fire perchance? The Israelis are in an unenviable position and trying to be Mr Niceguy does not allways work, unfortunately.
  17. The Israelis have never been Mr Niceman nor have they ever intended to be Mr Niceman. I wonder what we would think of them if they had become a soviet client state and the Arabs had been supported by the US.

    The above in no way indicates I support the activities of the Palestinians in any way, they have learnt well from their Israeli teachers. Israelis killing Arabs will not bring peace and equally Arabs killing Israelis will not bring peace either.

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