Halal Meat

[BreathingOutOnTheWayUp]

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Mmmmm,

At the 7th page and no mention of Fish.

Shirley they suffer, too? Probably quite severely but does no-one care?

New Poll required?:-|

 

[howfen_lad]

No need to apologise, but I still don't know as you have said 'yes' to a question with two alternatives. Seriously, I'm not being deliberately obtuse here.

Guzzler sorry for the delay, i am a little confused now, are you saying you do not know which side of the fence i am on with regards to the original vote in question?

If so, then simply put, i do feel that the thread starter has a right to be unhappy about Halal meat in the school, why? Not because i don't eat it, i do, kebabs and such like, as i eat kosher, but there should be a choice, the school i attended had a choice, just like the Muslims had a choice of uniform, just like some races did not attend school during fast, it was a choice, and one which was not ever contested, probably as it would cause i riot.

Now i have not said i don't like how they are killed, i said no way is nice, but the quickest way is the best IMO. But the cruelty to any animal before it has its destined way of slaughter is outrageous and deserves serious punishment.

Yes bring Halal, kosher, christian, fast food, healthy eating, packed lunch, chippie diners all to the menu, but make sure there is a choice for all and the food source is legal and healthy one.

 

[Guzzler]

No. I meant do you think that's pigs klnow that they are going to die? Thie comment "i have never witnessed that, pigs know they are going to die, and most place get on with it quickly, calmly and safely." confused me.

 

[howfen_lad]

No. I meant do you think that's pigs klnow that they are going to die? Thie comment "i have never witnessed that, pigs know they are going to die, and most place get on with it quickly, calmly and safely." confused me.

Yes i believe pigs know they are going to die.

 

[mikehunt]

Maybe you should consider that perhaps my words are indeed chosen carefully.

Care to watch the piggies dance?

I don't think you have the cranial capacity to choose your words carefully or you would not persistently abuse those who disagree with you. The Furry Dance is in spring so sadly I have missed it this year.

 

[WreckerL]

For my tuppence worth I don't care if the meat on my plate is Halal or not, it's how it's been cooked that concerns me.

Should it have been slaughtered without suffering...yes

Am I selfish or insensitive about whether it's Halal or not....probably

 

[Guzzler]

Yes i believe pigs know they are going to die.

That's what I was thinking you meant but just wanted to clarify. Thanks.

Don't you think that the idea of animals understanding the concepts of life and death a little far fetched? Insane even?

 

[admiralscruff]

well, they must know that death is 'it' because they avoid it. If they didn't try to avoid death, they would become extinct in favour of a species that did, because they would be reckless with their lives, so fewer and fewer sets of genes are passed on.

Yeah, I did Evolution last week, so it's still fresh

 

[Guzzler]

Yes but isn't that just natural response to known dangers which are part of their genetic make up? Like gazelles ******* off when a lion enters the room. I wouldn't think that a pig would realise that Sid from Warrington with a stun gun or whatever was going to end its life.

For once I'm not picking an argument for my own entertainment, I find this genuinely interesting. I'm crap at science type stuff and I suppose you could say that Evolution 'passed me by' as it were.

 

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[Ballistic]

Yes but isn't that just natural response to known dangers which are part of their genetic make up? Like gazelles ******* off when a lion enters the room. I wouldn't think that a pig would realise that Sid from Warrington with a stun gun or whatever was going to end its life.

For once I'm not picking an argument for my own entertainment, I find this genuinely interesting. I'm crap at science type stuff and I suppose you could say that Evolution 'passed me by' as it were.

Pigs are supposed to be quite intellegent, (on a par with, or better than dogs so I'm led to believe), so I don't think it's a huge leap of faith to imagine that there's a bit more than pure instinct at play here.

After all, it's well documented that the great apes show an understanding of death among their own relatives and we're just beginning to learn what whales and dolphins make of it. Elephants also seem to show some reaction to the death, (or imminent death), of a member of their group. (There are probably other species that I haven't seen BBC2 documentaries about).

I think what I'm trying to say without any specialist knowledge is this: at what stage of cerebral development does an animal species become aware of it's own mortality beyond that of pure instinct?

I doubt there's a definitive answer.

 

[howfen_lad]

That's what I was thinking you meant but just wanted to clarify. Thanks.

Don't you think that the idea of animals understanding the concepts of life and death a little far fetched? Insane even?

The reason i believe pigs know they are going to die is because it is not just when 'Sid' turns up with a bolt gun that they fret, a pig will eat fine, roll in the mud, run round with a football, but a few days before the van comes to take them to slaughter they change, they become temperamental (more than usual) they consume less, they start to run at any little noise, and good God they make that day the van comes a hard one.

A pig would try to eat you before it gets it than slaughter van, How they know whats coming?? I don't know, but i am 100 percent certain they do.

I to find it interesting.

 

[Troglodyte]

As long as the animal concerned was not known to me by name, I could,nt give a shit either way, just as long as its DEAD

 

[flymo]

Happy viewing:

Meet your Meat, the Barbarity of Halal Slaugter - YouTube

 

[Topstop]

Its not pretty but thats what happens, went to the slaughter house / abottior in Swindon in the 70`s.

The bolt went in the head, they got a hook in the ankle, hauled up and throat cut, then they started to buck and kick.

Have shot/gutted and eaten stuff, dont enjoy doing it, but will do it.

If you dont like it go veg.

 

[guestm]

Happy viewing:

Meet your Meat, the Barbarity of Halal Slaugter - YouTube

No more or less "barbaric" than our apparent humane methods.

 

[flymo]

I'd prefer the bolt in the bonce, nice and quick rather than have to pull those faces pulled by the second Halal'd cow which was clearly in pain and distress.

I see the RSPCA and Compassion in World Farming are noticeable in their vocal absence.

 

[guestm]

I'd prefer the bolt in the bonce, nice and quick rather than have to pull those faces pulled by the second Halal'd cow which was clearly in pain and distress.

I see the RSPCA and Compassion in World Farming are noticeable in their vocal absence.

Captive bolt stunning does not mean they're not in pain. There's a report out there somewhere I'll find it and post the link. It shows that pain evidence Is still active.

 

[mikehunt]

Captive bolt stunning does not mean they're not in pain. There's a report out there somewhere I'll find it and post the link. It shows that pain evidence Is still active.

When you have found it no doubt someone will be able to find another report that contradicts it and so it rumbles along.

 

[guestm]

When you have found it no doubt someone will be able to find another report that contradicts it and so it rumbles along.

Fair one. For once you make a salient point.


Slaughter isn't nice, however it's done. If you don't like it, go veggie.