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Guardian: "Libya: UN Security Council Backs No-Fly Zone And Air Strikes"

Targets from Zuwara in western Libya to the rebel-held port of Benghazi in the east, plus a military command centre in the city’s capital of Tripoli
then
the Chief of Defence Staff’s spokesman, said the targets had been “carefully selected to avoid civilian casualties

Does anybody else see that as a split objective? I recall the CEP for a TLAM being pretty good; but not that bloody good.
 
The middle east nations will be walking a tightrope if they opt to involve themselves militarily. So many various factions at odds with eachother. As loggie says, the divide it could open between their political and religious leaders is potentially very damaging for them. I know from speaking to relatives in Israel that theres a lot of tension there too.
 

finknottle

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Let us not forget that the Arab League asked for the no-fly zone, the very least the twats can do is step up to the plate. I for one do not give a shit if it could be damaging to their unelected leaders.
 
Id say let the whole rancid shithole got to hell and be done with it but Im not that naive and I have close relatives in Israel so a slightly more stable middle east is decidedly preferable for all. The Arab League seems to have expected something different than what they actually are getting from the UN. hope they are good at cycling.

I loved the big 'Assassinate Gaddafi' headlines today. Got images of Liam Fox stalking the desert looking for Gadders, elmer fudd style'
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
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Difficult though it is, trying to see the issue from the Arab League perspective:

The fact is that "the West" (aka: the US) currently has a military presence in 3 Muslim countries.

The US maybe once gain duped UK into thinking they thought of the idea (US & France initially, outwardly projected zero interest in 'no-fly').

Once the Arab League agree in principle to "no-fly", the coalition, instead of defending the civilian population from direct attack, iaw Resolution 1973, start to fight on the side of the rebels, bombing military targets not actually directly threatening the civilian population. This also happened in Iraq where the Kurds were encouraged to rebel against Saddam by the West, then slaughtered mercilessly.

The perception could well be that the coalition are not just protecting civilian population, in fact they can't even decide whether or not they are targetting Gaddafi politically or militarily.

Qatar are currently going out on a limb, but there are civil riots in several other Muslim oil producing countries also - who's going to be next to have their non-democratic government overthrown?
 

finknottle

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[FONT=&quot]Déjà vu shock and awe complete with the mandatory night footage of anti-aircraft fire and explosions filling our news screens, once again we are getting ourselves sucked into a situation that will be very difficult to disengage ourselves from. When this unelected lot in charge of us formed their pact I thought give them a chance, they have had that and have proved that they are as big a bunch of buffoons as the last administration, may your gods help us all. [/FONT]
 
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WreckerL

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[FONT=&quot]Déjà vu shock and awe complete with the mandatory night footage of anti-aircraft fire and explosions filling our news screens, once again we are getting ourselves sucked into a situation that will be very difficult to disengage ourselves from. When this unelected lot in charge of us formed their pact I thought give them a chance, they have had that and have proved that they are as big a bunch of buffoons as the last administration, may your gods help us all. [/FONT]

Strange, could have sworn we had a General Election not long ago!!!!!!!!!!

Edited to add the commons vote over the action taken was 557 for, 13 against. That's quite a majority of "unelected" MP's agreeing with the Government. Whether we're making a rod for our own backs remains to be seen.

It'd be a lot easier if we were a one party state wouldn't it comrade!
 
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finknottle

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Strange, could have sworn we had a General Election not long ago!!!!!!!!!!

Edited to add the commons vote over the action taken was 557 for, 13 against. That's quite a majority of "unelected" MP's agreeing with the Government. Whether we're making a rod for our own backs remains to be seen.

It'd be a lot easier if we were a one party state wouldn't it comrade!


I have no recollection of seeing 'cobbled together coalition' on my ballot paper?
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
I have no recollection of seeing 'cobbled together coalition' on my ballot paper?

The Tory party were and decided to form a coalition to achieve a workable majority in the house, therefore as they "won" the election they were elected and chose that path. All legal and above board, like it or not.
 

broadside

War Hero
I have no recollection of seeing 'cobbled together coalition' on my ballot paper?

MY ballot paper had the names of various candidates campaigning for election as an MP to represent me and the rest of the people in the consituency in parliament. I don't recall the ballot paper having only a choice for a specific party to form the government. - Was there another election somewhere else that was working to a different agenda Fink?
 

finknottle

Banned
My paper had the political affiliation of the candidate on it.

The Tory's did not win the election; if they had they would have formed a government on their own.


For fear of being accused of going off on a tangent once again this is all I have to say regarding this issue, so it’s back to war No2.
 

Magda

War Hero
Book Reviewer
The perception could well be that the coalition are not just protecting civilian population, in fact they can't even decide whether or not they are targetting Gaddafi politically or militarily.

Qatar are currently going out on a limb, but there are civil riots in several other Muslim oil producing countries also - who's going to be next to have their non-democratic government overthrown?

For all I was making flippant comments, I agree with you Ninja. A fine line is being negotiated between out and out attack and mere enforcement, and perhaps what is being done is not what the Arab League expected.

Apart from that, as you say, most of the Arab countries are having their own difficulties at home and I'm sure the power-that-be are looking at Libya and looking at their own countries and thinking "Are we next?"
 

finknottle

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It’s such a shame that the UN has not attacked the Israel Palestinian 64 year old problem with the same gusto, after all it is the root cause of many Muslims hatred of the West. So before we get all pally pally with the opposition we need to know much more about their future attitude towards us, maybe we should fly in a diplomat for a chat and some mint tea.
 
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