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Guardian: "Libya: UN Security Council Backs No-Fly Zone And Air Strikes"

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angrydoc

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I said this before - only a couple of weeks ago.

Yes, it's about oil! What's the problem with that? We (the west) need it. If oil prices go through the roof the western world would collapse. Some people think it's somehow invalid for us to factor fuel supply into the equation - it isn't.

Finks - you state "we as a country are no longer a major military power" - we, as a country, have not gone to war. The UN has, and we are part of that. We have contributed, as have the French and the US and more.

It's not ideal, but these things never are.
 

finknottle

Banned
I said this before - only a couple of weeks ago.

Yes, it's about oil! What's the problem with that? We (the west) need it. If oil prices go through the roof the western world would collapse. Some people think it's somehow invalid for us to factor fuel supply into the equation - it isn't.

Finks - you state "we as a country are no longer a major military power" - we, as a country, have not gone to war. The UN has, and we are part of that. We have contributed, as have the French and the US and more.

It's not ideal, but these things never are.

It is not mandatory to join in the killing for oil under the pretence of defending the oppressed, the Germans have taken what is in my opinion the sensible choice.
 
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Good point that must have been the exception to the rule.

It is strange how we can find the money for war when we don't have any.

There's loads of pots of money that can be dipped into Finks. Overseas aid and development etc. Spend a little now and get cheap oil for the next decade and everyones a winner.
 

finknottle

Banned
You could also mention Sierra Leone


You could you have and its another good point, however it does seem that our recent spate of PM's seem to like a war to add to their CV no matter how dubious the justification. At least it has been agreed by those with eyes wide open that oil is a major factor in this particular involvement.
 
Of course Oil is a factor, oil just doesn't get turned into petrol it's the very lifeblood of the developed nations. What do you expect? Us all to go back to whaleing so we can lube up the machinery that saw us through the industrial revolution?

I admit there's a few other despots out there that could do with a good shoeing but they aint got oil. It'll be interesting to see what stance is taken over Nigeria if that kicks of a bit more.
 

witsend

MIA
Book Reviewer
however it does seem that our recent spate of PM's seem to like a war to add to their CV.

I can't be arsed searching, but off the top of my head I'm struggling to think of any PM's who haven't been involved in some sort of spat or 'war' as you call it.
 

finknottle

Banned
WB, off topic I know it would be safe to assume that the whales will be safe from harpooning for some time to come and that makes me happy but I cannot say the same for the reason.

Anyway have no fear as I am currently working on a nuclear reactor that will be no bigger than a zippo lighter and will be able to power up to and including a sixteen wheeler.
 

Magda

War Hero
Book Reviewer
I said this before - only a couple of weeks ago.

Yes, it's about oil! What's the problem with that? We (the west) need it. If oil prices go through the roof the western world would collapse. Some people think it's somehow invalid for us to factor fuel supply into the equation - it isn't.

Finks - you state "we as a country are no longer a major military power" - we, as a country, have not gone to war. The UN has, and we are part of that. We have contributed, as have the French and the US and more.

It's not ideal, but these things never are.

Well said. We need it, unfortunately.

Wars in the future are going to be fought over oil (if they're not being fought already) and other essentials like fresh water. Wars over territory are soooo last century.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
You could also mention Sierra Leone

Sierra Leone is probably one of the countries which back Finks' observations in that they have huge mineral wealth, whereas Rwanda doesn't. Bosnia on the other hand, is rather wealthy with regard coal, zinc, lead, gold & silver.

With regard Libya, the BBC stated they make-up about 2% of western crude supplies. It's pretty much accepted that our involvement has bugger-all to do with the humanitarian aspect, despite political claims to the contrary, it's a necessary expense to protect our own long term interests. Russia maybe correct - we're possibly over-stepping the mark and appear to be fighting on the side of the rebels rather than protecting the civilian population, depending which way you look at it it.

In any event, it's probably going to be very costly & very messy. I wouldn't put it past Gaddafi to facilitate another atrocity in UK involving aircraft.
 
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I wouldnt put anything past Gadaffi. A dictator is most dangerous when backed into a corner and sooner or later his hand is really going to be forced and we will se him do something truly horrific I suspect
 
WB, off topic I know it would be safe to assume that the whales will be safe from harpooning for some time to come and that makes me happy but I cannot say the same for the reason.

Anyway have no fear as I am currently working on a nuclear reactor that will be no bigger than a zippo lighter and will be able to power up to and including a sixteen wheeler.

The Jap whaling fleet buggered off back up north a few weeks ago mate, they had failed to catch 50% of their stated quota due to lots of anti whaling nutters freezing their butts off in the ocean hampering the Japanese efforts, well played and good effort to them I say. Nothing to do with the tsunami I'm afraid (unless you believe in Karma).

The main reason we used to hunt whales was for oil, not because we'd eat them or turn them into pet food. Technology has moved on and we've got black oil now, unless someone causes a world wide "hug an Arab" movement stand by for more "interventions" to save the poor civilians from the nasty men who control the oil.
 
The Jap whaling fleet buggered off back up north a few weeks ago mate, they had failed to catch 50% of their stated quota due to lots of anti whaling nutters freezing their butts off in the ocean hampering the Japanese efforts, well played and good effort to them I say. Nothing to do with the tsunami I'm afraid (unless you believe in Karma).

The main reason we used to hunt whales was for oil, not because we'd eat them or turn them into pet food. Technology has moved on and we've got black oil now, unless someone causes a world wide "hug an Arab" movement stand by for more "interventions" to save the poor civilians from the nasty men who control the oil.
How about harpoon an arab? US and EU sticking their noses in where not needed again.Suprise, suprise.
 
In all fairness, the League members are sticking their necks out amongst their own clergy for agreeing to the action. I suspect if they actually engaged in it, the consequences at home might not be in anybody's best interests.
 
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Pu55ers

Midshipman
From the Telegraph...

BREAKING Sky Sources: Tornado strike on gaddafi compound last night called off because
CNN journalist was broadcasting live from the scene

(link)

The really should stay at home IMHO.

P
 
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