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Guardian: "Libya: UN Security Council Backs No-Fly Zone And Air Strikes"

Ninja_Stoker

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Just had an RAF Air Chief Marshal on Sky news saying"We must do everything we can to stop Gaddafi "Being beastly" to his people!wonder if he still reads the Wizard!

Cripes, one hopes the armourers are chalking "Take that, you bounder" on their bombs at Marham.
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
I am especially liking:

"RAF Tornados flew 3,000 miles from RAF Marham, in Norfolk, and back to carry out their bombing mission.
France, US, Canada and Italy are also involved in the operation to protect civilians from attacks by Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi's forces.

Defence Secretary Liam Fox said the Tornados' flights out of RAF Marham had been 'the longest range bombing mission conducted by the RAF since the Falklands conflict'. "

Wonder why they had to fly all that way in and out.....any suggestions?
 

Seaweed

War Hero
Book Reviewer
I take it this is the Crabs demonstrating global reach and 'who needs an aircraft carrier'. Or maybe the Italian bases won't be ready until Berlusconi is promised first dibs at Ghaddafi's guaranteed-virgin bodyguards.

Looked like good stuff for the Buccaneer, coming in on the deck out of nowhere and toss-bombing eight thousand-pounders a pop. Ah well.
 

Not_a_boffin

War Hero
Marham Tornado jets are on their way to Libya, to join allied onslaught against Colonel Gaddafi

Shame the Tornados have to fly such long distances to their targets. Weren't the now-junked carrier-capable Harrier GR9s at least as successful as the 'Tonkas' at mud-moving in Afghanistan until very recently?

Fraid not NG. CAS in the Stan is very different to SEAD against an IADS, which is why they've used GR4 with Storm Shadow and the TLAM. This isn't an argument for retaining GR9 and Ark. Even when it comes to running CAP over Libya, you'd need a dozen SHAR to do anything other than complicate the RAP. What it does (or will) demonstrate is that when you have to start filling multiple CAP stations over Libyan territory, it's more efficient to do it with carrier-based air off a big deck (hence QEC) than it is to run them from several hundred miles away. F35 will also be able do the SEAD mission in future which would remove the need to fly Tonkas from Marham!
 

finknottle

Banned
Surprise, surprise still not involvement from the well-armed Arab countries, they will be more than happy for us to do the dirty work for them but looking on the bright side it allows our great leader to strut the world stage in peacock fashion, that’s until it goes pear-shaped which it will, as the only way we can guarantee the safety of the opposition who incidentally we know little about is to put boots on the ground. I also think it would be safe to say that somewhere in the mix al Qaeda will be lurking.
 
Fraid not NG. CAS in the Stan is very different to SEAD against an IADS, which is why they've used GR4 with Storm Shadow and the TLAM. This isn't an argument for retaining GR9 and Ark. Even when it comes to running CAP over Libya, you'd need a dozen SHAR to do anything other than complicate the RAP. What it does (or will) demonstrate is that when you have to start filling multiple CAP stations over Libyan territory, it's more efficient to do it with carrier-based air off a big deck (hence QEC) than it is to run them from several hundred miles away. F35 will also be able do the SEAD mission in future which would remove the need to fly Tonkas from Marham!

Thank you. Point taken.
 
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guestm

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Surprise, surprise still not involvement from the well-armed Arab countries, they will be more than happy for us to do the dirty work for them but looking on the bright side it allows our great leader to strut the world stage in peacock fashion, that’s until it goes pear-shaped which it will, as the only way we can guarantee the safety of the opposition who incidentally we know little about is to put boots on the ground. I also think it would be safe to say that somewhere in the mix al Qaeda will be lurking.


Apart from Qatar and the U.A.E.

You really can't be this ill informed, are you taking the piss?
 
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angrydoc

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Surprise, surprise still not involvement from the well-armed Arab countries, they will be more than happy for us to do the dirty work for them but looking on the bright side it allows our great leader to strut the world stage in peacock fashion, that’s until it goes pear-shaped which it will, as the only way we can guarantee the safety of the opposition who incidentally we know little about is to put boots on the ground. I also think it would be safe to say that somewhere in the mix al Qaeda will be lurking.
Must have missed this then Finknottle:
"Meanwhile, after wide criticism of lagging Arab state involvement in the coalition action, it has been revealed that Qatari forces have helped enforce the no-fly zone.
"Qatar is participating in the military action because it is necessary for Arab states to take part," Sheikh Hamad, who is also foreign minister, said.
A UN diplomat said the United Arab Emirates would also participate, but this has not been confirmed." (Sky News)

At the end of the day, fellow Arab states probably don't want to shout too loudly about their involvement: the fact they are taking part and are in support is enough IMHO.

I saw Polly Toynbee spouting her usual load of ill-informed rubbish on the news this morning too. She seems to think Egypt and Tunisia should be contributing. I think they probably have more pressing needs closer to home.
 

flymo

War Hero
Must have missed this then Finknottle:
"Meanwhile, after wide criticism of lagging Arab state involvement in the coalition action, it has been revealed that Qatari forces have helped enforce the no-fly zone.
"Qatar is participating in the military action because it is necessary for Arab states to take part," Sheikh Hamad, who is also foreign minister, said.
A UN diplomat said the United Arab Emirates would also participate, but this has not been confirmed." (Sky News)

At the end of the day, fellow Arab states probably don't want to shout too loudly about their involvement: the fact they are taking part and are in support is enough IMHO.

I saw Polly Toynbee spouting her usual load of ill-informed rubbish on the news this morning too. She seems to think Egypt and Tunisia should be contributing. I think they probably have more pressing needs closer to home.


So was that a Qatari plane shot down then?
 

scouse

War Hero
U.S. Africa Command Home ] Three B-2 bombers dropped 40 bombs on a major Libyan airfield. At the same time, US Air Force fighter jets conducted missions searching for Libyan ground forces to attack. No US aircraft were lost during the missions. [10] The warplanes included Marine Corps Harrier Jets, Air Force B-2 stealth bombers, and F-15 and F-16 fighter jets.[11]
 
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finknottle

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Must have missed this then Finknottle:
"Meanwhile, after wide criticism of lagging Arab state involvement in the coalition action, it has been revealed that Qatari forces have helped enforce the no-fly zone.
"Qatar is participating in the military action because it is necessary for Arab states to take part," Sheikh Hamad, who is also foreign minister, said.
A UN diplomat said the United Arab Emirates would also participate, but this has not been confirmed." (Sky News)

At the end of the day, fellow Arab states probably don't want to shout too loudly about their involvement: the fact they are taking part and are in support is enough IMHO.

I saw Polly Toynbee spouting her usual load of ill-informed rubbish on the news this morning too. She seems to think Egypt and Tunisia should be contributing. I think they probably have more pressing needs closer to home.

Missed what exactly as there is no statement confirming their direct involvement?

Then we have the then our inaction over the state-sponsored massacres in Yemen and Bahrain which is inexplicable as well as embarrassing.

These politicians of ours have more faces that the guildhall clock.

 
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angrydoc

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Finks, I don't really know what you stand for or want. You seem to be against everything but for nothing.

What do you think the UN should have done about Gadaffi and, for that matter, what should be done about Bahrain and Yemen? Should the UN go into all countries? Should we send a strongly-worded letter? What would make you happy?
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
Fraid not NG. CAS in the Stan is very different to SEAD against an IADS, which is why they've used GR4 with Storm Shadow and the TLAM. This isn't an argument for retaining GR9 and Ark. Even when it comes to running CAP over Libya, you'd need a dozen SHAR to do anything other than complicate the RAP. What it does (or will) demonstrate is that when you have to start filling multiple CAP stations over Libyan territory, it's more efficient to do it with carrier-based air off a big deck (hence QEC) than it is to run them from several hundred miles away. F35 will also be able do the SEAD mission in future which would remove the need to fly Tonkas from Marham!

BUT, for this SEAD mission you don't need aircraft - TLAM is more than enough. The RAF mud moving could and is being done as effectively and at less risk by coalition TLAM.

About the only thing the RAF can really do that we couldn't at the moment is provide AAR and deep ISTAR [R1 = T22B3] coverage, but I suspect even the T22 on station is capable of a reasonable amount of cover.
 

Not_a_boffin

War Hero
Agreed. My point was you don't do SEAD with GR9, particularly not taking out HQ & reporting centres that are fixed. Where TLAM or Tonkas won't help is in taking out Gecko or Shilka type systems, which will still have anybody flying CAP over Libya a bit twitchy. That's where you'd want a Growler / Prowler / F35 type with the requisite ARM or EO kit.

You can't blame the Crabs for wanting to show they can do long-range strike (albeit as a three-ship!).
 

finknottle

Banned
Finks, I don't really know what you stand for or want. You seem to be against everything but for nothing.

What do you think the UN should have done about Gadaffi and, for that matter, what should be done about Bahrain and Yemen? Should the UN go into all countries? Should we send a strongly-worded letter? What would make you happy?

Well for starters sorting out the Arabs shit for them does not make me happy especially as there is a very strong possibility once again of mission creep.

As a country we are not a major military power neither are we the world’s policeman and of course we are in deep financial shite.

Then we have what I consider to be the most sickening and that is the selective interference in other people’s problems. The facts are clear for all to see, if there is no oil or rare minerals in the equation we keep out of it. Anyone who cannot or chooses not to see that is not living in the real world.


What would make me happy, simple really pull out of the lost cause that is Afghanistan and stop this discerning meddling.
 

seafarer1939

War Hero
What I'm struggling to understand is,Gadaffi slaughters a few hundred and the wrath of God falls upon him,Mugabe slaughters tens of thousands and no-one does a thing.
Could the relative word be oil?and wouldn't the cost of tossing all this ordnance at him keep the Harriers and the Ark active for a good while.
Funny how we always find cash for a conflict,Aid to Yemen[a Al Q stronghold] etc yet not for needed Armed Forces.
Still we should be glad Broon and Blair are not in Power,Broon would have upped Libyan Aid and Blair would have charged a consultant fee.
A desert Island looks a good bet at the moment,if we sort him out his cronies will be planning more Lockerbies etc for a good while.
Time for a cruise no fly holiday I think.
 

hackle

Lantern Swinger
Moderator
...Then we have what I consider to be the most sickening and that is the selective interference in other people’s problems. The facts are clear for all to see, if there is no oil or rare minerals in the equation we keep out of it. Anyone who cannot or chooses not to see that is not living in the real world...

How about Kosovo? FYROM? Balkans generally?
 
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