Guardian article - French suggest UK/FR SSBN fleet

#1
(From a post on ARRSE - sorry if already posted)

Not seen this on here. The French have apparently proposed that the UK and France should share deterrent patrols, a proposal rejected by UK

Proposals for closer UK-French defence co-operation have been driven by Paris, British defence officials emphasised yesterday, though Brown may raise the issue in remarks today to the Foreign Press Association in London.

Britain and France could synchronise nuclear deterrent patrols and co-operate in the deployment of surface fleet task forces, sources say. However, British officials played down the possibility of formal agreements on the nuclear deterrent – or on sharing each other's aircraft carriers.

"We could not make a full commitment," a defence source said, referring to the deployment of carriers. He referred to the British intervention in Sierra Leone 10 years ago and Iraq. France did not "want to have anything to do with" either operation, the source said.

However, both governments say they recognise the potential scope for much closer co-operation both in terms of strategy and in procuring new weapons systems.
Full article at http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/19/france-britain-shared-nuclear-deterrent.

Not sure what I think about the idea, but it obviously isn't going to happen this year.

C_C
 
#2
I would in theory support a much stronger naval relationship and possible sharing of assets or responsibilities with France but the nuclear deterrent would seem a rather ambitious place to start surely.

Are there not already extensive limitations set out by the Americans such as Commonwealth citizens not serving on submarines etc due to sensitive technology/information... how would the increased involvement of France impact the UK/US relationship?
 

wet_blobby

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#4
It'll stop the old soap dodgers ramming each other, might make sense for short term money and political reasons but long term a bit of a no no really, more trouble than it's worth.
 
#6
France will do what is best for France. You've got to respect them for that.

All it will mean, is that France will take over from the US as our dominant "partner".
 

Seaweed

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#7
As any enemy will be able to work out, half the time it will be a Frog finger on the button and that will ensure it won't be pushed to save the UK. Whoever heard of a part-time deterrent. This is just posturing unless it is a sign that the Frogs want to upgrade theirs but would like to offload the cost onto us. Mind you I can see Europhile Tories and the Limp Dems saying what a great idea it is.

Proof that God has a sense of humour is that He gave us the French (and the Irish) for next-door neighbours (and then after putting oil in the ground, parked the Arabs on top of it).
 

AngryMonkey

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#8
Streaky said:
France will do what is best for France. You've got to respect them for that.
Totally agree, we could do with a bit of realpolitik in our government at times. Sarkozy wouldn't have thought twice about telling Clinton to fcuk off if the Americans started asking questions about what the French are up to in Chad. Part of the inbalance in the 'Special Relationship' is that the Americans take us for granted as we've not told them to do one since Vietnam, and they expect us to eat sh!t and ask sir for more.
As far as joint nuclear patrols I thought the entire point of Trident was to have an independent nuclear deterrent not one where we'd have to get an okay from Paris first.
 

Comm.

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#9
AngryMonkey said:
As far as joint nuclear patrols I thought the entire point of Trident was to have an independent nuclear deterrent not one where we'd have to get an okay from Paris first.
My first thought the minute I saw the thread title.

This one's a non starter I think.
 
#10
Now what do you think would have happened if it had been frog sub down south instead of our's in 82?
Trust the French? You have to be kidding. Treacherous bastards

Roofs
 
#11
lonestar said:
Are there not already extensive limitations set out by the Americans such as Commonwealth citizens not serving on submarines etc due to sensitive technology/information... how would the increased involvement of France impact the UK/US relationship?
Ummm, I recall a baby Tiff, of I think Malysian extraction, let's call him Yellow Bruce, who's uncle was head of the Communist Party or some such 'back home'. Bruce came through the school late 80s I think and was promptly drafted to........ yep, you guessed it, Bombers!
 

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