Grenfell Tower
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It is hard to come up with a meaningful comment on this appalling event. There are thousands of unanswered question as to how and why. My gut feeling as there are some people are trying to work out how they can slide the blame when the inevitable Inquiry seeks to find out some answers.
My heart goes out to all those who have lost relations to the flames and those who have lost everything but their lives.
My heart goes out to all those who have lost relations to the flames and those who have lost everything but their lives.
From what's been reported, and we all trust our press! There may be many heads heading for the block.
When we have a new class of vessel built, we try to look at through life support, looks like the FB were not consulted on how they would fight a disaster, like this? Making them look better did not necessarily make them safe, town planners, builder, owners will be panicking, especially when many residence have raised issues of safety in the buildings . as @fishhead nothing constructive we can say.
When we have a new class of vessel built, we try to look at through life support, looks like the FB were not consulted on how they would fight a disaster, like this? Making them look better did not necessarily make them safe, town planners, builder, owners will be panicking, especially when many residence have raised issues of safety in the buildings . as @fishhead nothing constructive we can say.
Until a Coroner's beak gets into this, there's lots of assuming, guessing and accusing but very little knowing. The chances are, there isn't just one major weakness that caused the catastrophe. More likely there were several minor ones that all coincided; the Swiss cheese principle where all the holes line up at the same time. Only when the investigation can be completed will all the contributory factors be known. One thing this has revealed is how rich this Country is in fire safety experts.
All aboard the outrage bus: http://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-...homed-in-flats-on-luxury-development-10922326
However - there's still RS5000 cladding to be had out there:-
https://www.just-insulation.com/pir-rigid-boards/celotex-rs5000-rainscreen-cladding-board.html
https://www.just-insulation.com/pir-rigid-boards/celotex-rs5000-rainscreen-cladding-board.html
Another View on Grenfell
Shamelessly stolen from another site
Socialist disinformation?
Interesting, assuming it's true ......
Before anyone joins the Theresa May lynch mob, here are some FACTS relating to the Grenfell tragedy..
1. The block of flats was run, not by the Council but by KCTMO. This body is made up of 8 TENANTS, 4 councilors and 3 independent members.
2. Labour hold the seat that the block is situated in.
3. Labour run the London Council who manage the under funded London Fire Service
4. Emma Coad the sitting Labour MP for that ward, also sat on the KCTMO.
5. The advice to stay put, which Sadiq Khan has been so vocal about, was given by the London Fire Service.
6. The decision to change contractors during the refurb was made by KCTMO.
7. The decision not to spend an additional ?138k on fitting sprinklers was again KCTMO.
8. The decision to create ALMO organisation such as the KCTMO was made under the Right To Manage legislation passed in 2002
as part of the Commonhold and Leasehold Reform Act.
9. This was put in place to give leaseholders and tenants a greater say and the ability to self manage, which in some circumstances has clearly proven to be flawed.
10. Which Govt was in a charge when this law was passed? It was Labour.
11. Sadiq Khan as mayor of London Produced a report to say that the fire service did not need further funding.
12. Emma Coad elected Labour MP was on the board of the Tenant Management group, who are being accused of not listening to tenants. ,
It's a modern lynch mob encouraged by bitter Labour MPs, who, having lost an election, want to destroy an elected government for a chance of a second election.
Shamelessly stolen from another site
Socialist disinformation?
Interesting, assuming it's true ......
Before anyone joins the Theresa May lynch mob, here are some FACTS relating to the Grenfell tragedy..
1. The block of flats was run, not by the Council but by KCTMO. This body is made up of 8 TENANTS, 4 councilors and 3 independent members.
2. Labour hold the seat that the block is situated in.
3. Labour run the London Council who manage the under funded London Fire Service
4. Emma Coad the sitting Labour MP for that ward, also sat on the KCTMO.
5. The advice to stay put, which Sadiq Khan has been so vocal about, was given by the London Fire Service.
6. The decision to change contractors during the refurb was made by KCTMO.
7. The decision not to spend an additional ?138k on fitting sprinklers was again KCTMO.
8. The decision to create ALMO organisation such as the KCTMO was made under the Right To Manage legislation passed in 2002
as part of the Commonhold and Leasehold Reform Act.
9. This was put in place to give leaseholders and tenants a greater say and the ability to self manage, which in some circumstances has clearly proven to be flawed.
10. Which Govt was in a charge when this law was passed? It was Labour.
11. Sadiq Khan as mayor of London Produced a report to say that the fire service did not need further funding.
12. Emma Coad elected Labour MP was on the board of the Tenant Management group, who are being accused of not listening to tenants. ,
It's a modern lynch mob encouraged by bitter Labour MPs, who, having lost an election, want to destroy an elected government for a chance of a second election.
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it's not great. it's absolute bollocks. Already shot down in another thread, here's a reminder:
Some context to the janner post and it's REAL FACTS(sic):
It is run by KCTMO on behalf of the council, a subcontract in a way. The council maintains accountability and still manages the budget, completely.
The council is 40 Tory, 7 Labour. The Grenfell tower seat being Labour means nothing in that context.
As for the wider consituency, it was won by Labour for the first time ever a week prior to the fire and 5 years after the renovation. It has always been a Tory constituency.
Under funded being key, to quote Amber Rudd, there is no magic money tree for Sadiq Khan to shake, he deals with what the government give him. The austerity cuts to the London fire service were made by his predeccessor, Boris Johnson. Khan has been outspoken about no more cuts and increasing funding since he became Mayor.
She was not on the board when the renovation was carried out, when the contractor was changed or the safety lapses came to light and were being reported and ignored.
Which is SOP.
Due to the orginal contractor exceeding the proposed budget. Again, hamstrung by funding by a Conservative council who signed off on all the work.
See above. Plus it's the Tory governemnt who ignored the report that called for Tower Block sprinkler installation for tower blocks after the Camberwell fire.
Which is pretty well backed by all parties.
KCTMO was actually founded under John Major's government and has been controlling properties for 20 years.
True, but it's 50/50. Equally in some cases it works well and protects buildings and tenants.
See 8, well backed by all parties.
False, he didn't. He said when he was housing minister that Fire spending was increasing. Way, way before more recent austerity cuts.
See 4.
The above is another case of misrepresentation of information by omitting key facts. Myth - busted.
Some context to the janner post and it's REAL FACTS(sic):
It is run by KCTMO on behalf of the council, a subcontract in a way. The council maintains accountability and still manages the budget, completely.
The council is 40 Tory, 7 Labour. The Grenfell tower seat being Labour means nothing in that context.
As for the wider consituency, it was won by Labour for the first time ever a week prior to the fire and 5 years after the renovation. It has always been a Tory constituency.
Under funded being key, to quote Amber Rudd, there is no magic money tree for Sadiq Khan to shake, he deals with what the government give him. The austerity cuts to the London fire service were made by his predeccessor, Boris Johnson. Khan has been outspoken about no more cuts and increasing funding since he became Mayor.
She was not on the board when the renovation was carried out, when the contractor was changed or the safety lapses came to light and were being reported and ignored.
Which is SOP.
Due to the orginal contractor exceeding the proposed budget. Again, hamstrung by funding by a Conservative council who signed off on all the work.
See above. Plus it's the Tory governemnt who ignored the report that called for Tower Block sprinkler installation for tower blocks after the Camberwell fire.
Which is pretty well backed by all parties.
KCTMO was actually founded under John Major's government and has been controlling properties for 20 years.
True, but it's 50/50. Equally in some cases it works well and protects buildings and tenants.
See 8, well backed by all parties.
False, he didn't. He said when he was housing minister that Fire spending was increasing. Way, way before more recent austerity cuts.
See 4.
The above is another case of misrepresentation of information by omitting key facts. Myth - busted.
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