Global Warming

InstaDan

Lantern Swinger
Well, in deference to 'the believers' I find this absolutely mind boggling:

Council Sets Target Of Carbon Neutral Glasgow by 2030 - Glasgow City Council
Glasgow has been set a target of becoming a carbon neutral city by 2030 following a decision of the council's City Administration Committee.
www.glasgow.gov.uk

Have Glasgow City Council ever been to Glasgow? Oh.....

So that will be no more blue trains in and out of the city, no more buses in and out of the city etc.

Maybe they could ask Faslane for some spare nuclear generated power from one of the alongside boats.... Then again, maybe not!

Also, the place is (eventually) surrounded by fields full of (farting) cows and sheep - what is going to happen to all that food?
A common misconception is that being carbon neutral means that there will no generation of carbon. There will still be carbon generated through carbon positive activities, however there will also be an increase carbon negative activities to make the city CARBON NEUTRAL.

Nuclear generation is low carbon, especially if the plant already exists.

Meat farming can be in carbon negative way, it's just more time intensive for farmers.

Cows produce methane, not carbon. They produce most methane from burps not farts as they are ruminant animals.

Agricultural contributions to GHG are vastly overstated, it's the greatest tactic of deflection that oil/gas/coal companies have employed. Fields full of cows are lower emissions producers than the housing/commerical buildings that would be built in their place if cows disappeared.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
Agricultural contributions to GHG are vastly overstated, it's the greatest tactic of deflection that oil/gas/coal companies have employed. Fields full of cows are lower emissions producers than the housing/commerical buildings that would be built in their place if cows disappeared.
One of the climate change lobbies concerns id the amount of rainforest that's disappearing for cattle farming. Liz Bonnin was on the box recently telling us UK farmers should switch from beef production, which is all very noble but I don't see a few farmers in a small island in the Atlantic taking this course of action and expecting the US, South American countries and other major beef producers following suit.
 

InstaDan

Lantern Swinger
One of the climate change lobbies concerns id the amount of rainforest that's disappearing for cattle farming. Liz Bonnin was on the box recently telling us UK farmers should switch from beef production, which is all very noble but I don't see a few farmers in a small island in the Atlantic taking this course of action and expecting the US, South American countries and other major beef producers following suit.
Yes, the intensive meat farming of South America is absolutely a problem. Most of the rainforest is being cut down for soy production for feeding the cattle, instead of them being grass fed. Soy fattens them up much quicker, so it's a better profit for these large farms.

I absolutely agree with you on British farmers. British farmers from families that been at it for generations, raising grass fed beef with herds of a couple of hundred head really aren't ******* up the planet like some people would like you to believe.


Some government data if you're interested. Page 8 has a breakdown of UK emissions by sector. Agriculture (meat and vegetable/fruit) is nearly at the bottom of the table. Support British Farming, don't buy imported meat!
 

Sumo

War Hero
Yes, the intensive meat farming of South America is absolutely a problem. Most of the rainforest is being cut down for soy production for feeding the cattle, instead of them being grass fed. Soy fattens them up much quicker, so it's a better profit for these large farms.

I absolutely agree with you on British farmers. British farmers from families that been at it for generations, raising grass fed beef with herds of a couple of hundred head really aren't ******* up the planet like some people would like you to believe.


Some government data if you're interested. Page 8 has a breakdown of UK emissions by sector. Agriculture (meat and vegetable/fruit) is nearly at the bottom of the table. Support British Farming, don't buy imported meat!
Looking at page 8 the worst offender by % of change is transport, all the rest are heading in the right direction.
 

InstaDan

Lantern Swinger
Looking at page 8 the worst offender by % of change is transport, all the rest are heading in the right direction.
We're pretty comparable on transport to where we were in 1990 which is crazy when you think of all the emissions laws that have come into being since then.
 

Ballistic

War Hero
Wot like the millennium bug?
But that was real.
Its effects were mitigated by years of preparation...

... except for my Casio watch, bought in 1985.
The calendar never worked from Jan 1 2000 and after that I never knew what date it was so I had to ditch it.
 

Taztiff

War Hero
But that was real.
Its effects were mitigated by years of preparation...

... except for my Casio watch, bought in 1985.
The calendar never worked from Jan 1 2000 and after that I never knew what date it was so I had to ditch it.
Cockroach was knackered - too many sambuccas at the New Years Eve party.
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
Found on another site:

After our daughter of fifteen years of age was moved to tears by the speech of Greta Thunberg at the UN the other day, she became angry with our generation “who had been doing nothing for thirty years” so, we decided to help her prevent what the girl on TV announced of “massive eradication and the disappearance of entire ecosystems”.

We are now committed to give our daughter a future again, by doing our part to help cool the planet four degrees.

From now on she will go to school on a bicycle, because driving her by car costs fuel, and fuel puts emissions into the atmosphere. Of course it is winter and then she will want to go by bus, but cycling through the freezing builds resilience.

Of course, she is now asking for an electric bicycle, but we have shown her the devastation caused to the areas of the planet as a result of mining for the extraction of Lithium and other minerals used to make batteries for electric bicycles, so she will be pedalling, or walking. Which will not harm her, or the planet. We used to cycle and walk to school too.

Since the girl on TV demanded “we need to get rid of our dependency on fossil fuels” and our daughter agreed with her, we have disconnected the central heating in her room. The temperature is now dropping to twelve degrees in the evening, and will drop below freezing later in the winter. We have promised to buy her an extra sweater, hat, tights, gloves and a blanket.

For the same reason we have decided that from now on she only takes a cold shower. She will wash her clothes by hand, with a wooden washboard, because the washing machine is simply a power consumer and since the dryer uses natural gas, she will hang her clothes on the clothes line to dry, just like my parents and grandparents used to do.

Speaking of clothes, the ones that she currently has are all synthetic, so made from petroleum. Therefore on Monday, we will bring all her designer clothing to the secondhand shop.

We have found an eco store where the only clothing they sell is made from undyed and unbleached linen and jute. Also can’t have clothes made on wool, because the emissions from farting sheep are supposedly causing bad weather.

It shouldn’t matter that it looks good on her, or that she is going to be laughed at, dressing in colourless, bland clothes and without a wireless bra, but that is the price she has to pay for the benefit of The Climate.
Cotton is out of the question, as it comes from distant lands and pesticides are used for it. Very bad for the environment.

We just saw on her Instagram that she’s pretty angry with us. This was not our intention.

From now on, at 7 p.m. We will turn off the WiFi and we will only switch it on again the next day after dinner for two hours. In this way we will save on electricity, so she is not bothered by electro-stress and will be totally isolated from the outside world. This way, she can concentrate solely on her homework. At eleven o’clock in the evening we will pull the breaker to shut the power off to her room, so she knows that dark is really dark. That will save a lot of CO2.

She will no longer be participating in winter sports to ski lodges and resorts, nor will she be going on anymore vacations with us, because our vacation destinations are practically inaccessible by bicycle.

Since our daughter fully agrees with the girl on TV that the CO2 emissions and footprints of her great-grandparents are to blame for ‘killing our planet’, what all this simply means, is that she also has to live like her great-grandparents and they never had a holiday, a car or even a bicycle.
We haven’t talked about the carbon footprint of food yet.

Zero CO2 footprint means no meat, no fish and no poultry, but also no meat substitutes that are based on soy (after all, that grows in farmers fields, that use machinery to harvest the beans, trucks to transport to the processing plants, where more energy is used, then trucked to the packaging/canning plants, and trucked once again to the stores) and also no imported food, because that has a negative ecological effect. And absolutely no chocolate from Africa, no coffee from South America and no tea from Asia.

Only homegrown potatoes, vegetables and fruit that have been grown in local cold soil, because greenhouses run on boilers, piped in CO2 and artificial light. Apparently, these things are also bad for The Climate. We will teach her how to grow her own food.

Bread is still possible, but butter, milk, cheese and yogurt, cottage cheese and cream come from cows and they emit CO2. No more margarine and no oils will be used for the frying pan, because that fat is palm oil from plantations in Borneo where rain forests first grew.

No ice cream in the summer. No soft drinks and no energy drinks, as the bubbles are CO2.

We will also ban all plastic, because it comes from chemical factories. Everything made of steel and aluminium must also be removed. Have you ever seen the amount of energy a blast furnace consumes or an aluminium smelter? All bad for the climate!

We will replace her memory foam pillow top mattress, with a jute bag filled with straw, with a horse hair pillow.
And finally, she will no longer be using makeup, soap, shampoo, cream, lotion, conditioner, toothpaste and medication. Facecloths will all be linen, that she can wash by hand, with her wooden washboard, just like her female ancestors did before climate change made her angry at us for destroying her future.

In this way we will help her to do her part to prevent mass extinction, water levels rising and the disappearance of entire ecosystems.

If she truly believes she wants to walk the talk of the girl on TV, she will gladly accept and happily embrace her new way of life.
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
Oh look! A DIESEL powered generator to re-charge your eco vanity project when it inconveniently runs out of juice.

On the plus side, it looks like it can do two cars at once.

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pg55555

Lantern Swinger
That is the argument the tobacco industry used for decades whilst all the medical researchers knew smoking caused lung cancer. 97%-plus of climate scientists believe in human caused climate change. All but two or three governments believe in climate change, ALL major scientific institutions believe in climate change.

Only the scientific ignorant, or wilfully trolling, don't.

Try "Skeptical science" for proper science based facts and arguments.


Please look carefully at their "Most Used Climate Myths" lists - which show up how ignorant most counter-arguments are.

And, or course, one could ask why the anti-climate change people have utterly failed for more than 25 years to do any science to demonstrate that the climate change scientists are wrong - 25 years of scientific failure would not any sensible person to think they had any arguments worth following.

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