George atkins - captain royal navy

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  1. Dear Rum Ration

    Please could you advise on my husband's ancestor George Atkins who was a Captain in the the Royal Navy, a navy agent's clerk and newspaper correspondent. Thank you.

    George was born in 1838 Lambeth

    George is possibly found in the 1841 census in St Pancras with his parents Thomas Atkins and Lucy Atkins (unless his father worked in the navy and the family was abroad)?

    George is not found in the 1851 census (perhaps is away as a sailor or with his family abroad)?

    George Atkins and Maria (??????) marriage before 1861 - unable to find, did they marry abroad?

    George is found in the 1861 census living in St Pancras working as a navy agent's clerk and is married to Maria but they have no children yet

    George is found in the 1871 census living in Lambeth as a newspaper correspondent
    Unless George and Maria had sadly lost several children between 1861 and 1871, the first child Harry Atkins shown on the 1871 census was born in 1868 - had George been working abroad during the previous years?
    The family is wealthy enough to employ a servant

    George dies in Lambeth in 1877

    George's widow Maria is living in Lambeth in the 1881 census and is shown as an annuitant (receiving an annuity)

    George's son Percy Frederick Atkins calls his father a Captain in the Royal Navy when he marries in 1905

    Please could you tell me if sailors became involved with newspaper reporting (was this part of their job depending on their rank) or was this a completely different career after leaving the navy? Thank you.

    How would you research more about George's career in the royal navy or working as a navy agents' clerk? Thank you.

    1871 CENSUS
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    [TH="align: right"]Name:[/TH]
    [TD]George Atkins[/TD]
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    [TH="align: right"]Age:[/TH]
    [TD]33[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="align: right"]Estimated birth year:[/TH]
    [TD]abt 1838[/TD]
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    [TR]
    [TH="align: right"]Relation:[/TH]
    [TD]Head[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="align: right"]Spouse's Name:[/TH]
    [TD]Marea Atkins[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="align: right"]Gender:[/TH]
    [TD]Male[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="align: right"]Where born:[/TH]
    [TD]Lambeth, Surrey, England[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="align: right"]Civil Parish:[/TH]
    [TD]Lambeth[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="align: right"]Ecclesiastical parish:[/TH]
    [TD]St Mark[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="align: right"]County/Island:[/TH]
    [TD]London[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="align: right"]Country:[/TH]
    [TD]England[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="align: right"]Registration district:[/TH]
    [TD]Lambeth[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="align: right"]Sub-registration district:[/TH]
    [TD]Kennington Second[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="align: right"]ED, institution, or vessel:[/TH]
    [TD]2[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="align: right"]Household schedule number:[/TH]
    [TD]151[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="align: right"]Piece:[/TH]
    [TD]676[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="align: right"]Folio:[/TH]
    [TD]43[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="align: right"]Page Number:[/TH]
    [TD]28[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="align: right"]Household Members:[/TH]
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    [TH="class: p_embedTableHead, width: 90%"]Name[/TH]
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    [TD="width: 90%, align: left"]George Atkins[/TD]
    [TD="width: 9%, align: left"]33[/TD]
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    [TR="class: p_embedTableRow"]
    [TD="width: 90%, align: left"]Marea Atkins[/TD]
    [TD="width: 9%, align: left"]33[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: p_embedTableRow"]
    [TD="width: 90%, align: left"]Harry C Atkins[/TD]
    [TD="width: 9%, align: left"]3[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: p_embedTableRow"]
    [TD="width: 90%, align: left"]Percy Frederick Atkins[/TD]
    [TD="width: 9%, align: left"]2[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: p_embedTableRow"]
    [TD="width: 90%, align: left"]Bertha M Atkins[/TD]
    [TD="width: 9%, align: left"]10 Months[/TD]
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    [TR="class: p_embedTableRow"]
    [TD="width: 90%, align: left"]Emily Barrows[/TD]
    [TD="width: 9%, align: left"]17[/TD]
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  2. Hello Lorraine,

    George Atkins married:



    [TABLE]
    [TR]
    [TD] Name:

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    [TD="width: 321"] Maria Carlton

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    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 151"] Event Type:

    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 321"] Marriage

    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 151"] Registration Quarter:

    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 321"] Jul-Aug-Sep

    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 151"] Registration Year:

    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 321"] 1860

    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 151"] Registration District:

    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 321"] Westminster St. Margaret

    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 151"] County:

    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 321"] London

    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 151"] Event Place:

    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 321"] Westminster St. Margaret, London, England

    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 151"] Volume:

    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 321"] 1A

    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 151"]  Page:

    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 321"] 591

    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 151"]


    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 321"] 2




    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]



    [TABLE]
    [TR]
    [TD] Baptism: Name:

    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 387"] Harry Carlton Atkins

    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 131"] Gender:

    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 387"] Male

    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 131"] Christening Date:

    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 387"] 07 Jun 1868

    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 131"] Christening Place:

    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 387"] SAINT JOHN, RICHMOND, SURREY, ENGLAND

    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 131"] Birth Date:

    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 387"] 14 Sep 1867

    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 131"] Father's Name:

    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 387"] George Atkins

    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 131"] Mother's Name:

    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 387"] Maria

    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C14522-1 ,System Origin: England-VR ,GS Film number: 1042204 ,Reference ID: 2:13J0XD6 (From the Family Search website).



    I don't know how George Atkins found the time to become a Captain in the Navy? He worked as a Navy Agents Clerk. Later in life he became a newspaper correspondent. As for his son stating on his marriage certificate that his father was a RN Captain, he could have claimed his father was the King of Siam if he wished, who would question it?
    If you look at the information you have from the census returns, check the dates and the occupations for George Atkins and you will see that your George Atkins is not listed at any RN College, he does not appear on any ships lists, (if he was aboard a Royal Naval Ship whether in the UK or overseas, he would still appear on the census). In the records, (Census returns, RN Officer listings etc) there is nothing that indicates that George was a Captain in the Royal Navy. George Atkins was an educated man, that's for sure, but I can find nothing that supports his sons claim that he was a RN Captain.

    I hope the above information is helpful to you.


    Sweetpea.
     
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  3. Hello Sweetpea

    Thank you for finding George & Maria's wedding and Harry's birth.

    Knowing Percy's occupations, the King Of Siam could well have been a suitable role for his father, as well as the Sultan Of Timbuktu! Percy was a Theatrical Business Manager and also worked in the Box Office at The Lyceum Theatre in 1905 just at the time when Sir Henry Irving died. Percy also married into a theatrical family, his sister-in-law Ruth Jezard performed at The Royal Drury Lane Theatre and her husband Albert Edward Court was Chief Of Staff at The London Coliseum. Percy and his-to-be wife Louisa Thrasher were also false 'parents' to their nephew Horace Thrasher born 1893 when he was baptised outside of his parish in 1896 with his (illegitimate?) cousin Violet Jezard (and rumoured to be the son of an aristocrat), Horace's mother Alice Thrasher/Grace Courtenay, although not proven yet, the evidence is mounting that she was a Gaiety Girl, marrying stockbroker Herbert Solomon in 1901 and father-in-law Robert Thrasher a (theatre?) fireman.

    What did a navy agent's clerk do please? As Percy's father died when he was a very young child, could Percy have romanticised his father's role in connection to the Royal Navy, with no ill-intent meant or not understood or have explained to him the role of a navy agent's clerk?

    Thank you
    Lorraine
     
  4. Hi Lorraine,

    What an wonderful array of colourful characters you have in your family tree, I'm quite envious now. :)

    NAVY AGENT: a British attorney who acts for naval officers in financial matters connected with the service (as distribution of prize money).

    Your George Atkins worked as a Clerk for the Agent so he would have done the correspondence and kept the books. As I stated earlier, George was an educated man.

    Good luck with your research.

    Sweetpea.

    Edited to add: Don't take all the information that is given on Census returns or marriage certificates as gospel - you'll find that our ancestors liked to flower things up and exaggerate a little. ;)
     
    Last edited: Jul 30, 2014

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