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General criticises Naval defence cuts

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Fantastic.

Delighted to hear Sir David tell it how it is. A refreshing change from inter-service back-biting.

“One of my biggest concerns is the number of frigates and destroyers the Navy has,” he said. Gen Richards cited the Navy’s Operation Atalanta to counter piracy in the Indian Ocean. A lack of ships has forced admirals to use the most advanced warships for relatively simple operations, the general said.“You get to this ridiculous situation where in Operation Atalanta off the Somali coast, we have £1 billion destroyers trying to sort out pirates in a little dhow with RPGs [rocket-propelled grenades] costing $50, with an outboard motor [costing] $100,” he said. “That can’t be good. We’ve got to sort it out.”
 
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Sumo

War Hero


Well said you cannot
have force projection without the forces simple
maths, how come our politicians don't get it, they seem to be able to work out their own pay and benefits.


 

Not_a_boffin

War Hero
Before we all get carried away, you could also read it as "The Navy is spending gazillions on high-tech warships when what we actually want them to do is slap some pirates about. You can stick your T26 - here are some larger Rivers. I'm off to spend the rest of the money on tanks and body armour"..........
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Before we all get carried away, you could also read it as "The Navy is spending gazillions on high-tech warships when what we actually want them to do is slap some pirates about. You can stick your T26 - here are some larger Rivers. I'm off to spend the rest of the money on tanks and body armour"..........

True.

Good point.
 

tiddlyoggy

War Hero
Book Reviewer
N_A_B, oohh you old cynic you! Good point though, but surely the wrong audience to try such subtle tactics with?
 

Sumo

War Hero
Before we all get carried away, you could also read it as "The Navy is spending justifiable gazillions on high-tech warships, you can pick your T26 - and have some larger Rivers. I'm off to spend the rest of the money on Enlarging and re-enforcing ships fuel tanks for extended trips and body armour or flak jackets for upper deck crew during action
"..........

There you go NAB sorted it out for you

Edited submarines already allocated but any extra dosh welcome
 

Not_a_boffin

War Hero
Sumo

If only that were true!

Crowsnest plus a sustainable dark blue F35 force Southside at WAFU central, plus new store ships to add to the list......
 
And so the Army General should attack the Armed Forces cuts. We simply cannot go around policing the Globe like the americans do we have a small armed forces compared to them and it seems like the Government wants war all the time but wont spend the money on what they want and keeping the money in their back pockets, They cant have it both ways.
 
G

guestm

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it seems like the Government wants war all the time but wont spend the money on what they want and keeping the money in their back pockets, They cant have it both ways.

Apart from the £4 Billion on UORs alone which doesn't even come out of the defence budget. Other than that.....
 

finknottle

Banned
And so the Army General should attack the Armed Forces cuts. We simply cannot go around policing the Globe like the americans do we have a small armed forces compared to them and it seems like the Government wants war all the time but wont spend the money on what they want and keeping the money in their back pockets, They cant have it both ways.



wants war all the time?
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
Fantastic.

Delighted to hear Sir David tell it how it is. A refreshing change from inter-service back-biting.

The subtext is: "You chimps have mortgaged defence to the hilt upon two aircraft carriers (which I regard as irrelevant)".
 
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trelawney126

War Hero
Of course, Blair got involved with both the Iraq and afghan conflicts when he was invited by Uncle Sam, along comes Libya, we'll have some of that says Dave, Syria looking dodgy, we'll offer intelligence etc, but on the other hand we could supply munitions
pits rather like a Lloyd Webber production ( any war will do ) dream on you cannot decimate your armed forces and then expect them to fight in more than One conflict at a time.
Milliband will be a different kettle of fish if ever we have the misfortune to have the git elected, as a first generation immigrant he'll want to fight every bastard.
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
Apart from the £4 Billion on UORs alone which doesn't even come out of the defence budget. Other than that.....

Only reluctantly and even then it took [relatively] large numbers of deaths to move HMT into the position where UORs were deemed necessary, and that required a lot of work for MoD to demonstrate we were being asked to do tasks outside of the projected commitments (urgo the EP). But you are right MLP, ultimately we stumped up around £4Bn. Now we have to try and keep some of the UOR capability without creating the previous bow wave in the EP, so that we don't step backwards in capability terms. A never ending cycle of begging bowls.
 
wants war all the time?


Yes focking wants war all the time, 3 wars in 10 years this country has been involved in with the yanks. Its like They would sell their own mums for us to be involved in another conflict and at the same time not even bother to equip the Armed Forces properly and boost manpower at the same time so the Armed Forces personnel have to do more tours overseas away from their families and loved ones because of this war mongering tight fisted government.
 

Seaweed

War Hero
Book Reviewer
I have a nasty feeling that CDS is sending a coded message that he doesn't want a navy for warfighting, just a few cheap ships to do coastguarding. It was BAD having a Crab CDS and now we have a land animal.
 
The General said:
“You get to this ridiculous situation where in Operation Atalanta off the Somali coast, we have £1 billion destroyers trying to sort out pirates in a little dhow with RPGs [rocket-propelled grenades] costing $50, with an outboard motor [costing] $100,” he said. “That can’t be good. We’ve got to sort it out.”
By £1 billion destroyers, I assume he means the Type 45s fulfilling a crucial role in the Gulf region owing to their unequalled capabilities. This has included assuming the responsibility of Air Defence Commander for the whole of the northern Arabian Sea.

Guess how many of them have been committed full-time to sorting out pirates? The answer is none (although they have showed their presence during transit).

Take a look at the sort of thing they have been doing:

 
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