GCSE or equivalent????

#1
Just after a bit of advice if anyone can help.
I unfortunately do not have any GCSEs at grade C or above but I do have A BTEC Higher National Certificate in Civil Engineering and a National Certificate in Civil Engineering, which on a number of government websites and the Royal Marines website is classed as being equivalent to 5 GCSEs. Will this be the same case for the Royal Navy???

Thanks in advance
 

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#3
Nicoj said:
Just after a bit of advice if anyone can help.
I unfortunately do not have any GCSEs at grade C or above but I do have A BTEC Higher National Certificate in Civil Engineering and a National Certificate in Civil Engineering, which on a number of government websites and the Royal Marines website is classed as being equivalent to 5 GCSEs. Will this be the same case for the Royal Navy???

Thanks in advance
Really? - Can you provide a link to where the Royal Mariness Website states a BTEC is equivalent to 5 GCSE's?

A BTEC level 3 passed at Merit, Merit, Merit or better maybe accepted, subject to confirmation by the AIB, as equivalent to meeting the UCAS requirement at A level, but I've not yet seen where the requirement of 5 GCSE's including maths & English at Grade C or better is met by an unrelated BTEC.

Schools & colleges may well claim that certain qualifications are "worth 'x' GCSE's" but generally SCE's, GCSE's & iGCSE's are the only accepted qualification by employers.
 
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Ninja_Stoker said:
Nicoj said:
Just after a bit of advice if anyone can help.
I unfortunately do not have any GCSEs at grade C or above but I do have A BTEC Higher National Certificate in Civil Engineering and a National Certificate in Civil Engineering, which on a number of government websites and the Royal Marines website is classed as being equivalent to 5 GCSEs. Will this be the same case for the Royal Navy???

Thanks in advance
Really? - Can you provide a link to where the Royal Mariness Website states a BTEC is equivalent to 5 GCSE's?

A BTEC level 3 passed at Merit, Merit, Merit or better maybe accepted, subject to confirmation by the AIB, as equivalent to meeting the UCAS requirement at A level, but I've not yet seen where the requirement of 5 GCSE's including maths & English at Grade C or better is met by an unrelated BTEC.

Schools & colleges may well claim that certain qualifications are "worth 'x' GCSE's" but generally SCE's, GCSE's & iGCSE's are the only accepted qualification by employers.
So the RN / RM don't accept Btec 1st Diploma and Certificate (4 and 2 GCSE equivalents respectively)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTEC_First_Diploma
 

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#6
RN Website said:
NOTES AND FURTHER INFORMATION

1. Acceptable GCSE grades are normally grades C and above.
2. The term 'pass' when referring to SCE Standard/Ordinary Grade examinations means grades 1, 2 and 3/A, B and C.
3. GCE 'O' levels grade C or above are normally accepted in lieu of GCSE grades C or above. CSE (Certificate of Secondary Education) Grade 1 passes are normally acceptable in lieu of GCSE grades C or above.
4. GCSE and GCE 'A' levels must be in non-overlapping subjects, acceptable to the Ministry of Defence.
5. Educational qualifications other than those shown eg GNVQ at Advanced Level and BTEC may be accepted if, in the opinion of the Ministry of Defence, they are of similar or higher standard.
Generally higher educational qualifications refer to A Levels rather than GCSE & are subject to AIB verification, as stated earlier. The date of the link (quoted above) is 2006 & doesn't mention the UCAS requirement at A Level.

We're looking for solid, broad-based academic achievement from GCSE's through A Levels to, in some cases, degree.

If you believe the academic module content with regard the maths & English elements of a BTEC HNC or Diploma are above GCSE grade C and three other non-overlapping GCSE equivalents, then by all means take the certificates to the AFCO for verification of equivalency with regard the GCSE's via AIB, however be aware we need distinct qualifications in 5 non-overlapping subjects at GCSE level.

Sadly, colleges wish to simply get "bums on seats" as a revenue generator & will promise the world with regard, for a example, a GNVQ being "equivalent to 4 GCSE's". It maybe so in the educational environment with regards getting yourself onto a higher educational revenue generator for the college, but in the world of employment the reality is very different - it's almost criminally negligent of colleges to claim one thing in the knowledge that they are not accepted outside of educational establishments.
 
#7
Thanks for advice.
I think the best thing is to go down to the careers office with all my certificates and see what is said. fingers crossed.
 

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#8
Yep definitely speak to your AFCO as qualifications themselves are a complex subject, I'm certainly no expert & you should take the certificates to your AFCO so as they may forward them to AIB for verification.

You maybe right with regard the English : "A pass in a full unit of General and Communications studies at BTEC NC, ND, HNC or HND" according to the link below, but you need 5 GCSE's minimum, plus the A Level/equivalent.

Rough guidance can be viewed in the Book of Reference, Chapter 5, Article 0520

Good luck.
 
#9
Ninja_Stoker said:
Sadly, colleges wish to simply get "bums on seats" as a revenue generator & will promise the world with regard, for a example, a GNVQ being "equivalent to 4 GCSE's". It maybe so in the educational environment with regards getting yourself onto a higher educational revenue generator for the college, but in the world of employment the reality is very different - it's almost criminally negligent of colleges to claim one thing in the knowledge that they are not accepted outside of educational establishments.
In reality educational establishments only really consider educational establishments as the real world and thus are completely correct at all times. It is the rest of us that are out of step NS
 

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#10
Maxi_77 said:
In reality educational establishments only really consider educational establishments as the real world and thus are completely correct at all times. It is the rest of us that are out of step NS
You're right.

I do feel sympathy toward individuals that spend two years or more in further education only to be told that the qualification isn't accepted.

Good examples include Public Services Qualifications - some are of use, but most aren't unless it's Level 3 at Merit or better.

Universities are just as bad - a good example being the BA entitled "Forensic Science" which qualifies the individual to teach the next batch of students who mistakenly think they are going to be forensic scientists "a la CSI" on the telly.
 
#11
Ninja just a quick question although irrelevent to the branch i am going for, i have no gcse,s however i did a home study course with the ifs school of finance and obtained an ifs level 3 certificate in mortgage advice and practice....the problem is i am buggered if i know what it equentiates to, any ideas????
 

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#13
stumpinuts33 said:
Ninja just a quick question although irrelevent to the branch i am going for, i have no gcse,s however i did a home study course with the ifs school of finance and obtained an ifs level 3 certificate in mortgage advice and practice....the problem is i am buggered if i know what it equentiates to, any ideas????
Hi S33, I'm full Cemp qualified and unfortunately I've been told that this doesn't equate to anything. :?
 

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#14
stumpinuts33 said:
...the problem is i am buggered if i know what it equentiates to, any ideas????
I know the feeling and am afraid you've completely discombobulated me there, but my guess is that it eqentiates to no English compatibly recognsed qualificationilism erm - ist, sorta thingy with regard GCSEs.
 
#15
Ninja_Stoker said:
stumpinuts33 said:
...the problem is i am buggered if i know what it equentiates to, any ideas????
I know the feeling and am afraid you've completely discombobulated me there, but my guess is that it eqentiates to no English compatibly recognsed qualificationilism erm - ist, sorta thingy with regard GCSEs.
You've lost the plot NS, too many interviews today!?
 

tuts

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stumpinuts33 said:
the ifs is a recognised one being the institute of financial services...oh hang on a sec...government approved....must deffo be mickey mouse then :lol:
Are you a practicing mortgage adviser, or just passed Cemap?
 

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