Gays in the navy and equal rights for straights

slim

War Hero
Gays in the Navy
Now that the government has allowed homosexuals to serve in the armed forces isn't it about time some of the rules were changed.
I find it grossly unfair that a gay sailor is allowed to shower with straight men the gay sailor must surely find this fairly erotic.
This being the case surely straight sailors should be allowed to use the female showers.

Yet another case of the single straight man being discriminated against
 

RNMA

MIA
No offense mate, but i can safely say you have showered with many gay men in your years of service, but just haven't known they are gay. The government has not suddenly "allowed" gays in the armed forces, the difference now is that they are no longer imprisioned for it (as it was in pre 1990's) or kicked out when found out. Now, also i would like point out that there are many topics regarding gays in the armed forces already on RumRation and on Arrse, so content yourself to read over them and not to try and start another attack or "debate" on gay servicemen and woman. Maybe because i'm from a different generation and have worked with homosexuals before, some guys i may add i would never have guessed were gay, and where as sound as any straight mate i had, i just don't see a problem with it. As long as the lines are drown that someone is straight and someone is gay, there never is any problem with it. Only harmless banter on both sides. And when i finally get my start date i hope to god that there is no bullying going on simply because of someones sexuality. for i for one will not stand for that kind of crap or allow it to go on in my presence. Everyone in the forces has signed up to serve this country to the best of there ability, gays and straights, and should equally be allowed to do it, without fear of bullying and intimidation.


I do apologise for my rant to you mate, as you are a retired serviceman and for that you have my respect, but for this particular view, its best you are retired i'm sure.
 
I completely agree with the above, well said Slim. If M`lords of the Admiralty want to maintain retention numbers, this is the way forward, in fact in the light of the latest News about Hard Pornography being shown nowadays on Her Majesties Ships, How can anyone seriously complain about a shag in the showers?, makes sense to me.
 

RNMA

MIA
higthepig said:
I completely agree with the above, well said Slim. If M`lords of the Admiralty want to maintain retention numbers, this is the way forward, in fact in the light of the latest News about Hard Pornography being shown nowadays on Her Majesties Ships, How can anyone seriously complain about a shag in the showers?, makes sense to me.

can i just point you to this topic?

http://www.rumration.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=1605/highlight=shagged.html

Seems that "shagging" one another is not an uncommon thing in the navy, so why should it be such a shock if two gay guys or lesbians do it? Stinks of hypocracy if you ask me

And also hardcore porn in the Navy. I'm no expert but surely thats not a new thing either?
 

slim

War Hero
RNMA said:
No offense mate, but i can safely say you have showered with many gay men in your years of service, but just haven't known they are gay. The government has not suddenly "allowed" gays in the armed forces, the difference now is that they are no longer imprisioned for it (as it was in pre 1990's) or kicked out when found out. Now, also i would like point out that there are many topics regarding gays in the armed forces already on RumRation and on Arrse, so content yourself to read over them and not to try and start another attack or "debate" on gay servicemen and woman. Maybe because i'm from a different generation and have worked with homosexuals before, some guys i may add i would never have guessed were gay, and where as sound as any straight mate i had, i just don't see a problem with it. As long as the lines are drown that someone is straight and someone is gay, there never is any problem with it. Only harmless banter on both sides. And when i finally get my start date i hope to god that there is no bullying going on simply because of someones sexuality. for i for one will not stand for that kind of crap or allow it to go on in my presence. Everyone in the forces has signed up to serve this country to the best of there ability, gays and straights, and should equally be allowed to do it, without fear of bullying and intimidation.


I do apologise for my rant to you mate, as you are a retired serviceman and for that you have my respect, but for this particular view, its best you are retired i'm sure.

I don't know if you are straight, gay or a don't know. Of course I have showered with many gay men and didn't give a toss (what have I just said) Gays or brown hatters asthey were known in my day did exist and to a point as long as they kept it to themselves not many people cared.
However please remember the Forum that you are in Diamond Lils anything goes and if a gay sailor can't take a little harmless banter then maybe he should consider leaving the armed forces and take a job with the BBC on daytime television.
 
In the '80s , homosexuals had the decency to keep things to themselves.
One of my oppos "came out" to my wife first, as he was scared of telling me, but my wife just said, "tell him, you might be surprised."
So he was a poofter? He was still my mate. I just said I wasn't interested in hearing about the details.

As to getting a start date, RNMA, and not putting up with sexual bullying, I suggest you wind your neck in at first and suss the situation out before you go gobbing off.
 
Perhaps RNMA is of the new generation that can read, but do not understand what they have read, hence the short fuse, and how he is going to change things when he gets in. This Is Diamond Lil`s for fcuks sake.
 

andym

War Hero
Well its a whole different world now.As long as some gay chap didnt want to dance the chocolate cha cha with me i'd be moer than happy to work alongside him or her if it comes to that.there is a moot point though with regard to the "showering".Maybe straight people could shower with the opposite sex?I mean its supposed to be a Sexually Undiscriminating world isnt it?I wouldnt mind sharing a shower with Rosy!!!!!!
 

RNMA

MIA
Streaky said:
In the '80s , homosexuals had the decency to keep things to themselves.
One of my oppos "came out" to my wife first, as he was scared of telling me, but my wife just said, "tell him, you might be surprised."
So he was a poofter? He was still my mate. I just said I wasn't interested in hearing about the details.

As to getting a start date, RNMA, and not putting up with sexual bullying, I suggest you wind your neck in at first and suss the situation out before you go gobbing off.

well that shows why i said what i said. Just don't understand what you mean by having the "decency" to keep it to themselves??? What the fact they are gay, or having sex in front of your face? the latter i would bet would never happen. personally i have never had straight or gay people decided to shag in front of me. Or perhaps just keeping everything associated with there sexuality to themselves? maybe then as this is the way forward that ALL sexualities be kept to themselves, so anything hetrosexual should be keep behind closed doors too. no more str8 sex talk or str8 porn etc. i don't know about you, but i would find that incredibly hard to live with.
 

RNMA

MIA
However, as you rightly pointed out, this is diamond Lil's after all, and as i am clearly not allowed to give my point of view in here as it would dare to do against the masses i shall leave you to it. The reason i started my rant was purely because i am sick to death of people constantly having a go and gays for anything possible all the time. using words like "unnatural", "disgusting" etc i don't agree with that. And i'm not saying anyone has used them in this topic, but have in other topics on this site which i was trying to prevent from happening again. As i previously stated, i have worked with many gay people (working in call centres will do that), and they where sound blokes, and girls, and from the things ive heard, they've had put up with a lot of shit from homophobic (yes i know that literally means your afraid of them, and i know you'll all argue you not afraid, but its also used to discribe hatred towards gays purely based on there sexuality) people and i just don't think its right.
 

andym

War Hero
I think you will find that straight sex and images thereof will abound onboard.You may well have to live with it i am afraid.One of Jack's favourite pastimes is to try and blackcat each other when suitably refreshed with tales of past and present conquests.
 

RNMA

MIA
I know andy. What i was trying to say is that i would find it hard to live WITHOUT straight sex converstations and images. I was trying to point out how hard it is for gay people to hid everything about there sexuality and keep it to themselves. I was also trying to say that it would be very hard if all straight people in the navy had to hid there sexualities just like gays do (most of the time, lol)
 

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