Game Over

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  1. Junior has just had a phonecall from his AFCO saying that the condition he had when he was a toddler has made him medically unfit for the RN.

    Angrydoc / ninja - is there any glimmer of hope - the consultants report we had done said he was totally clear of the condition and that everything was OK - or is that it game over?
  2. Very sorry to hear that cadetsmum. Junior must be devastated.
  3. How awful for both you and him.
    I wish him well in whatever career he may choose
  4. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Sorry to hear the news.

    To be honest I don't know what the specific condition is/was, so can only offer generic advice as I'm not qualified to give medical guidance in any event.

    Certain conditions are an outright bar, with no degree of latitude and appealing against those instances is unfortunately not going to get anywhere as the standards are absolute. An example being childhood asthma which is an outright bar for aircrew. If there is specific medical evidence which can prove a recorded condition was a complete misdiagnosis then that's about the only way of winning an appeal unfortunately. A civilian specialist may not always be fully aware of the reasons behind the particular condition barring entry into the Armed Forces.

    Some conditions depend on the degree to which they affect the individual and in these instances, providing there's specific medical evidence which can prove it is insignificant, completely free from treatment, extremely unlikely to re-occur & non-debilitating in extremes of climate & altitude, then it maybe worth appealing, but again no guarantees either way.

    We often witness individuals appealing against the outcome of an appeal - needless to say, nothing is to be gained in this particular instance.

    In any event, we wish him well - sometimes certain things in life lead us in new directions which can result in even better and greater achievements, so it's always worth picking oneself up, dusting himself down & pursuing a new venture with 100% commitment.
  5. Well put Ninja.

    At the end of the day the AFCO medical Examiners are the experts and they make the decisions based on the info they are given by candidates, the candidates own Dr's and the Naval specialists. It's only really worth appealing if you think they have been given wrong information or you have a specialist that can shed more light on the condition.

    Best of luck with your sons future in whichever direction it leads.


  6. Strangely enough Junior - who has always seemed to have an older head than his shoulders - is quite philosophical about it. Me....I feel as if someone has stomach punched me. For him to fail ability wise would be understandable.....but to fail on something which we thought was well an truely in the past....words fail me.

    I appreciate what you're saying Ninja & Supermario about civilian consultants but is there any point in appealing when the only information we can provide is from a civilian consultant who has confirmed that there is no symptoms of his condition nor is further treatment needed / envisaged, has no effect on his movement not knowing what the service consultants would consider?
  7. Not today - am really not in the mood.
  8. CM

    I really am so sorry to hear about this.

    I have asked AngryDoc to add to this thread when he next logs in to the website.

    If I can think of anything helpful I can contribute, I will do, but there's nothing useful I can add at the moment, not off the top of my head.

    Thinking of you and your son and wishing you well.

  9. Thanks Soleil .....much appreciated.
  10. You and your son have my deepest sympathies as I have seen the great amount of effort you have put in to the Application process from reading your posts. Best of luck to your son be it in an appeal (if AngryDoc is able to think of anything) and in the rest of his life should this be the end of this particular path.

  11. janner

    janner War Hero Book Reviewer

    CD well done you, whatever the outcome Junior will never forget how supportive you have been throughout the application process, I hope he comes through alright and makes a success of his life.
  12. how far down the recruitment line was "junior" if you dont mind me asking?

    also is that his real name?
  13. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    If in doubt, then providing there is evidence which indicates there is no problem, the advice can only be to write to reqeust an explanation as to why this condition is a bar to entry and under what circumstances an appeal maybe considered. The advice, whilst you may draft the letter, is to let "Junior" submit the appeal if aged 18 upwards.
  14. Boyley

    No its not his real name......names have been changed to protect the innocent,lol!

    He literally had only got as far as the medical - which was halted when the RN decided it needed further info about the condition he had.

    However it had taken him 18 months to get that far due to being lost in the system etc.
  15. Ninja

    Thanks for that - Junior is under 18 ......but I'm walking alongside him but not hand holding,lol!

    Interestingly enough his AFCO is arranging for him to see the doctor to discuss the rejection but she said that the doctor may not be willing for either his dad or I to be present.

    would be worth a price of a stamp though I guess.
  16. In your case, I would appeal. What have you got to lose? At the moment, he's not going in. If the appeal succeeds then the whole new world would be available.
  17. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    A person under the age of 18 can elect to have a chaperone present when speaking to the Medical Examiner, however the individual may elect not to have anyone with them and they have that right, regardless of being under 18.

    There is always the possibility that a personal medical condition, other than that known by the individuals' parents may exist, unlikely, but possible.
  18. CM

    I'm sorry to hear this is the conclusion of the process.

    I have to say, although I know it sounds insensitive, that I suspected this would be the response from Navy Command. Junior's condition is not causing him any problems at present, but he is predisposed to issues before his time, if you see what I mean. That is the reasoning behind the decision. Also, basic and subsequent training may have caused problems, and it would be unfair and wrong for the RN to do this.

    The appeals process is always open, but Ninja's advice is worth bearing in mind. Junior's case has already effectively been appealed- I'm not sure further action would change this but you are obviously entitled to try.

    Once again, I'm sorry this is the situation that has come about. You have worked very hard to get Junior this far and I hope he appreciates your efforts.

  19. Thanks Angrydoc and everyone for their comments.

    I know what you mean AD and it does make me wonder whether he was going to be rejected anyway......and the fact that we had to go throught the process of getting a consultant's report was just a case of giving him false hope. Not that I begrudge him the money at all - it just seems like an unnecessary emotional rollercoster to have to have riden.

    Having slept (?) on it, it does sound as if the appeal would be nothing more than a formality although having said that, if he didn't do it he would always wonder whether it would have worked.

    Thanks once again to everyone for their advice and help over my time on here .......I wish everyone who want to join the RN a long and successful careeer.

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