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Future missiles

angry_mac

War Hero
Being a Seawolf maintainer, I cant actually see how a replacement for wolf is going to be worth the cost. Seawolf is the dog's bollox. Reliabilty of certain parts of the system is an issue, but once wolf has got a target, that target is going down. Seeing the issues brought around with SWMLU (seawolf mid life update), I'd jst love to see how they would start all over again.
If it works dont fix it.
 

jrwlynch

Lantern Swinger
angry_mac said:
Being a Seawolf maintainer, I cant actually see how a replacement for wolf is going to be worth the cost. Seawolf is the dog's bollox. Reliabilty of certain parts of the system is an issue, but once wolf has got a target, that target is going down. Seeing the issues brought around with SWMLU (seawolf mid life update), I'd jst love to see how they would start all over again.
If it works dont fix it.

This is aiming for 2015 at the earliest, by which point Wolf will be getting very long in the tooth (and assorted parts - like the missile stockpile - running out of life). By then it'll be either buy a new system, or build lots of new Wolf. The Block 2 program worked well, but demonstrated that it wasn't a straightforward job to "build more of these" after a decade or so of technology changing and companies changing hands. SWMLU should sort out some of the tracker issues as well as giving a significant performance uplift, but again that's (in procurement terms) short-term stuff.

One issue the new system fixes, is how many threats you can engage at once, where Wolf does have a limitation. It's also useful to be able to take off the 911s, which gets rid of a lot of topweight. Nobody's talking about binning Wolf tomorrow (Sutherland's only just getting her SWMLU fit!) but it's the long-term plan of how to give frigates effective air defence - when we run out of fireable Sea Wolf missiles, what do we use instead? And if we really are bringing FSC forward, what will she use to make enemy air threats fcuk off and die?

Agree, though - a properly-sorted Sea Wolf system is Very Bad News for enemy air threats...
 
jrwlynch said:
when we run out of fireable Sea Wolf missiles, what do we use instead?

Agree, though - a properly-sorted Sea Wolf system is Very Bad News for enemy air threats...

a) I'm a fan of harsh language and pointy sticks myself, although some PWOs may prefer rocks (especially the TAS-ape flavour).

b) a properly sorted sea wolf system is a rare thing in my experience - not to denigrate the tracker boys and the third man, just the fact it can throw fits if you look at it wrong. I've no experience of SWMLU, so that may've all changed....
 

angry_mac

War Hero
alfred_the_great said:
jrwlynch said:
when we run out of fireable Sea Wolf missiles, what do we use instead?

Agree, though - a properly-sorted Sea Wolf system is Very Bad News for enemy air threats...

a) I'm a fan of harsh language and pointy sticks myself, although some PWOs may prefer rocks (especially the TAS-ape flavour).

b) a properly sorted sea wolf system is a rare thing in my experience - not to denigrate the tracker boys and the third man, just the fact it can throw fits if you look at it wrong. I've no experience of SWMLU, so that may've all changed....


Ah well Seawolf on T22 is vastly superior to the T23 version ;) dontchya know.
 
angry_mac said:
alfred_the_great said:
jrwlynch said:
when we run out of fireable Sea Wolf missiles, what do we use instead?

Agree, though - a properly-sorted Sea Wolf system is Very Bad News for enemy air threats...

a) I'm a fan of harsh language and pointy sticks myself, although some PWOs may prefer rocks (especially the TAS-ape flavour).

b) a properly sorted sea wolf system is a rare thing in my experience - not to denigrate the tracker boys and the third man, just the fact it can throw fits if you look at it wrong. I've no experience of SWMLU, so that may've all changed....


Ah well Seawolf on T22 is vastly superior to the T23 version ;) dontchya know.

would that be because you're a cruise liner and those handy pull-out drawers in the cabinets make a great place to stick your sun-downers?! :)
 

Seaweed

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Long in the tooth? There's a good snatch of film from 1968 showing Seawolf at Aberporth flicking around a few paving slabs behind its launcher.
 

NigeMan

Newbie
FlagWagger said:
There's probably an element of survival in Thales' proposed missile - without new products, the Thales UK arm looks vulnerable and you can guarantee that the UK subsidiaries wil be cut before any French ones!

Surely the idea of any industrial component is to pursue new products/opportunities in order to survive, regardless of how they are structured or owned by.
 
Oil_Slick said:
Unlike us, the French have a long track record of designing and making extremely good missiles that work as advertised on the box…

So Sea Dart, Sea Wolf and Rapier (once the gyros were cured) didn't then? All blooded in anger with confirmed kills. It might be my age but remind me where the French jobs were proven on Ops?

will leverage MBDA's Common Anti-air Modular Missile (CAMM) concept

Leverage is now not only a word but a verb? I do hope the article was American.
 

instinct

Lantern Swinger
Passed-over_Loggie said:
Oil_Slick said:
Unlike us, the French have a long track record of designing and making extremely good missiles that work as advertised on the box…

So Sea Dart, Sea Wolf and Rapier (once the gyros were cured) didn't then? All blooded in anger with confirmed kills. It might be my age but remind me where the French jobs were proven on Ops?

will leverage MBDA's Common Anti-air Modular Missile (CAMM) concept

Leverage is now not only a word but a verb? I do hope the article was American.

Argies and Iraqies had a go at proving them didn't they?
 

avoiding_action

Lantern Swinger
Passed-over_Loggie said:
Oil_Slick said:
Unlike us, the French have a long track record of designing and making extremely good missiles that work as advertised on the box…

So Sea Dart, Sea Wolf and Rapier (once the gyros were cured) didn't then? All blooded in anger with confirmed kills. It might be my age but remind me where the French jobs were proven on Ops?

will leverage MBDA's Common Anti-air Modular Missile (CAMM) concept

Leverage is now not only a word but a verb? I do hope the article was American.

EXOCET! air to Surface, but still a missile......sorry Corporate vets
 
What s wrong with a spotty 19 yr old oik standing on the back of a frigate with a space invader joystick directing a Guy Fawkes rocket at a plane. Scared the risskies didnt it?
 
I remember the story doing the rounds on the NEWC when we decommissioned was that Express Dairies no longer made milk bottles big enouth to fire Sea Dart out of so the batch ones had to go to conserve stocks for the rest of the fleet.... :money:
 
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