French Carrier Deck Trg Facility at Landivisiau

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  1. On another thread recently there was a discussion regarding flying training for cat/trap carrier pilots and the various 'dummy decks' which exist around the world.

    Subsequently, Granville kindly PM'd me this excellent picture which he agreed I could post. It shows what appears to be a CDG deck layout at Landivisiau in France which presumably is used for deck crew training.


    Regards and thanks again to Granville,
  2. That's about all we'll get of HMS Improbable and HMS Unlikely. A drawing on the ramp at Yeovilton.
  3. I believe that as the french carrier Charles de Gaulle is in refit the disembarked squadrons have been carrying out their continuation training over in yankeeland on one of their carriers and in Brazil where they are using the carrier that they sold them when de Gaulle came into service.
    At least the frogs have kept their Air Arm fully under naval control and are not beholden to the ir Air force for the fixed wing element!!
  4. It appears the French have enough big boys toys(fixed wing assets) to spare to allow you chockheads types to play aircraft parking. Little else you can bo with them lines on the ground.

  5. Looking at the picture perhaps one should be HMS Immovable

  6. The dummy deck at culdrose.

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    Culdrose dummy deck in its heyday
    Taken from Built by an excellent chap called Graham Matthews well worth a look.
  8. The dummy deck at Culdrose brings back memories, in 56/57 we had lots of Seahawks stored in a hanger at TLS, these we had to tow down to the dummy deck, as an engine fitter we had to get the get the engines (RR nenes) into operating condition, and the riggers had to make sure that the wings folded and spread, the brakes and the hook and flaps worked. The officer in charge of the DD was a sad person who during WW2 was an air gunner in Swordfish and was that stupid managed to shoot off the aircaft's fin and rudder, best of all he thought the DD was a real carrier and had that little island built, which had flags and bells and all sorts of naval stuff installed. It was nice and quite and good working conditions over there untill daft Lt and his chockhead minnions turned up for training.

  9. Reminiscing again about your days as the base willy warmer again Norma?
  10. With regards dummy decks, anyone got a piccie of the Dummy Deck in Portland Harbour they trained the FDO's on?
  11. Seaweed

    Seaweed War Hero Book Reviewer

    Norman's been reading another book from the trolley that comes round the wards. Picture the sad old thing in his soiled raincoat with several buttons missing .. having an hour in the open before his keeper comes with hislittle needle ..
  12. We were the last class of chockheads to go through training on the "Ark Royal" Dummy Deck in 1977, I remember getting hurled across the concrete from the jet blast of a Vixen. They had the Red Arrows Gnats on the dummy deck at one stage.
  13. Oil Slick+Seaweed, If you have not got anything rellevant or interesting to comment on FAA posts wind your necks in and shut up.
  14. I agree with huffnut on this, however in 1956 the dummy deck training for Handlers was at HMS Siskin, I did my training there although we did live in HMS Daedalus.
  15. Dummy Deck HMS Siskin

    Aircraft Handling (AH) training was established at Fort Rowner, Gosport in 1946, which became RNAS Gosport (HMS Siskin). The School of Aircraft Handling (SAH) moved to RNAS Culdrose in 1959.

    Today, HMS Siskin’s dummy deck is a full size replica of the flight deck of an Invincible class CVS aircraft carrier and, when used with ‘live’ ground instructional aircraft and in-service ground support equipment, provides the ideal controlled training environment for aircraft ground handling, launch/recovery and emergency procedures. Deviation from procedures and mistakes, which could lead to a serious incident on board ship, can be thoroughly de-briefed, corrected and learnt from, without damage to expensive operational aircraft. The low number of recordable ground handling and flight safety incidents aboard the various multi spot decks, especially during recent intensive operations, is further evidence to support the use of ‘live’ training aircraft.

    The Air Engineering and Training Support Manager (AETSM) manages the facility, RN instructors deliver the training and a team of seven MoD engineering civil servants maintain the Sea Harrier FA2 and Harrier T8 aircraft. These ‘live’ fixed wing aircraft are taxied on and around the 'flight deck' carrying out simulated launches, recoveries and movements, as directed by Aircraft Handler students under training. Also, non-functional Sea King, Lynx and Merlin helicopters are used in conjunction with the ‘live’ Harriers to empathise tight operating parameters of a busy and hazardous operational flight deck. All aspects of flight safety are considered when moving aircraft around, as they would be on a real aircraft carrier, especially the effect of Jet Blast from the Harriers, which could blow a person overboard.

    All Wheel Drive (AWD) tractors, which are identical to those used on board ship, are used to carry out the movement of ground instructional aircraft around the flight deck of HMS Siskin. EN Mechanical Handlers and the new Remote Aircraft Mover (RAM) provide students with practical experience of precision aircraft movement, by moving aircraft within the tight limitations of various flight deck and hangar stances situated around the dummy deck.

    The Dummy Deck has a tower (FLYCO), which has Magnetic Loop and UHF for ground and air communications and full lighting facilities that control launch and recovery sequences.

    As well as having a multi-spot deck the dummy deck provides a single spot flight deck, similar to that of a Type 23 Frigate, which is used to train personnel from other branches of the Royal Navy and Royal Fleet Auxiliary as Flight Deck Officers (FDOs). Bond Helicopters provide a flying Dauphin helicopter for FDO training courses in helicopter landing procedures. Once trained, personnel will carry out the role of FDO on board single spot ships and other aviation capable vessels.

    Around 1500 people a year pass through the training facility. Included in this number are RAF, Army and Foreign and Commonwealth students.
  16. Hi,

    I confirm, this is used for deck crew training while the CDG is in long interruption for overhaul (IPER in France).

  17. Did not believe the post at first but a little checking confirms that between July 18 and 23, five French Rafale fighter jets used the deck of the US aircraft carrier, Theodore Roosevelt, as the platform for a prime example of combined operations. I knew they used the land based system at Lakehurst NJ for their launch and arresting gear settings development.

    From the article: The rest of the operations at sea consisted of a succession of exercises combining French and American fighters, EA-6B Prowler electronic warfare aircraft and E-2C Hawkeye (French and American) aerial reconnaissance aircraft. The F2 Rafales, capable of both air-to-air and air-to-ground missions, carried out on average twelve simultaneous missions daily. On the carrier, the squadron was fully integrated with the rest of the US air group. The pilots shared the living quarters and the operations room of the “Tomcattersâ€, as the VFA-31 squadron flying the Super Hornet is known.

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