Former British diplomat makes public secret evidence on Iraq

[slim]

Looking at this makes me wonder how much the British public were misled on Iraq?
I fully supported the government decision at the time, but that was based they made availableon.

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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/15122006/323/former-british-diplomat-makes-public-secret-evidence-iraq.html

 

[angrydoc]

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It stinks to high heaven.

However I tend to be circumspect about these things. We went to war, for whatever reason, but we're there now and there's no easy option for getting out. We need to just crack on with it.

I'm starting to see how the run-up to war was a bit dodgy (to say the least!), but what's done is done!

 

[slim]

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It stinks to high heaven.

However I tend to be circumspect about these things. We went to war, for whatever reason, but we're there now and there's no easy option for getting out. We need to just crack on with it.

I'm starting to see how the run-up to war was a bit dodgy (to say the least!), but what's done is done!

As you say Doc the only thing we can do is gey on with it. however we need to remember the lies and sleeze at election time!

 

[golden_rivet]

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I don't really see that this article tells us anything new but its useful fuel. Those who were against the war in Iraq in its present form - without a 2nd UN resolution, without the support of other nations etc - have always been treated as unpatriotic, as if the seal of sending in the troops somehow authenticised the whole process.

Another interesting (to me) thing is that I have never understood why the IISS September 2002 report on weapons of mass destruction was seen as supporting the war. It is a very carefully worded piece of fence-sitting but it certainly didn't say that the weapons existed.

I suppose we are now engaged in the process of getting out of Iraq regardless of the fact that to do so will be a disaster for the Iraqui people. If we don't get out of course it will be a disaster for the UK government. Seen in this light, evidence which strengthens the argument for never having gone in in the first place, however uncomfortable it may be for the government in the short term can now be used to authorise our withdrawal, which will please the great British public and strengthen the government, ironic isn't it?

 

[Bergen]

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Looking at this makes me wonder how much the British public were misled on Iraq?
I fully supported the government decision at the time, but that was based they made availableon.

Comments Please

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/15122006/323/former-british-diplomat-makes-public-secret-evidence-iraq.html

The British people were misled on multiple levels in order for a war to be launched on a country that was contained and which presented no danger to the west in general or Britain in particular. The revelations by Carne Ross are not surprising and simply indicate how the British Government used deception, lies of omission, lies of commission and the repeated misuse of The Official Secrets Act to further its ambitions.

Anyone who disagreed with this deceit or questioned any of the dubious evidence presented was immediately labelled as unpatriotic. Is it unpatriotic to fully support the troops who are in harm's way whilst utterly condemning our government for the lies and manipulation which placed them there?

RM

 

[Jimmy_Green]

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Has anyone read the book 'Biohazard' by Dr Ken Alibek? He was one of the Soviet Union's biological weapons experts. If I recall correctly he held the rank of a KGB Major though I think this was an honourary rank.
However, in his book he mentions Dr David Kelly who he recognises as one of the world's leading weapons experts.

Cut to more recent times when our glorious leader, Tony Bliar tells us that Saddam has weapons of mass destruction which could be launched at 45 minutes notice so we have to go in and remove him from power.
As we know (at least, it's what we've been told), there were no WMD.

Kelly gets totally discredited by the Hutton enquiry for claims that the weapons dossier was 'sexed-up'. Next we know; Kelly commits suicide.

Now I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories but anyone else smell something fishy?

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/kelly/0,,1002607,00.html

Discuss.

 

[asst_dep_to_dep_asst]

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......He was one of the Soviet Union's biological weapons experts..... in his book he mentions Dr David Kelly who he recognises as one of the world's leading weapons experts......Kelly gets totally discredited by the Hutton enquiry for claims that the weapons dossier was 'sexed-up'. Next we know; Kelly commits suicide.

Now I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories but anyone else smell something fishy?

Discuss.

I'm not sure about the conspiracy side of this, but there didn't appear to be much evidence of a fatal injury and the paramedics at the scene were certainly not convinced. Whatever the truth, this is a very sad period in modern British history, where an individual was at the very least hounded to a premature death by a paranoid government machine.

But remember, there has been an election since David Kelly died and the same hands are still on the tiller. What does that say about we voters?

 

[Jimmy_Green]

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But remember, there has been an election since David Kelly died and the same hands are still on the tiller. What does that say about we voters?

What it says to me is that the general public are apathetic and would rather sit on their arses and watch Eastenders and the X Factor than engage in something important such as politics. This is reflected in the ever decreasing number of people that turn out to vote.

When they do vote there is always the mentality of some for voting for the same party that they've always done and the same party their parents and grandparents have.

Very few people really consider what they are voting for and the effect it will have on the country in general. We still get the same old mantra of the NHS & schools which can drive people to the ballot box but the picture is bigger than those two institutions.

 

[Seadog]

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Jimmy Green wrote

Kelly gets totally discredited by the Hutton enquiry for claims that the weapons dossier was 'sexed-up'. Next we know; Kelly commits suicide.

Hutton investigated the death of Doctor Kelly. You have just turned events on their head.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3099378.stm

A bit of backpedalling is required please JG.

 

[Jimmy_Green]

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Jimmy Green wrote

Kelly gets totally discredited by the Hutton enquiry for claims that the weapons dossier was 'sexed-up'. Next we know; Kelly commits suicide.

Hutton investigated the death of Doctor Kelly. You have just turned events on their head.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3099378.stm

A bit of backpedalling is required please JG.

Thanks for the link. I'm unable to watch any of the videos at work but will do when I next get home (possibly after Xmas duies ). If there is a case for me to suck back I will do so.

 

[Seadog]

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Jimmy Green wrote

I'm unable to watch any of the videos at work but will do when I next get home (possibly after Xmas duies ). If there is a case for me to suck back I will do so.

You don't need to watch any videos. The first line of Lord Hutton's Terms of Reference was:

"urgently to conduct an investigation into the circumstances surrounding the death of Dr Kelly."

Hutton Inquiry

Your sequence of events and cause and effect are a travesty JG. Suck back now, not after Christmas. Your posts on the subject won't stand much longer without your retraction. Those quoting it without contradicting it will also be deleted.

 

[come_the_day]

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Your sequence of events and cause and effect are a travesty JG. Suck back now, not after Christmas. Your posts on the subject won't stand much longer without your retraction. Those quoting it without contradicting it will also be deleted.

Hey, this new mod is a pain in the neck. No more posts from me.